From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c5f189513e1f5f8a X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!nuzba.szn.dk!news.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!not-for-mail From: Jacob Sparre Andersen Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada as a first language Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:56:54 +0100 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Message-ID: References: <01d59695$0$20632$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <1YudnblPCIBgtlrUnZ2dnUVZ_tbinZ2d@earthlink.com> <87r60oip8a.fsf@nbi.dk> <7NadnVUQy9Nzm1XUnZ2dnUVZ_geWnZ2d@earthlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: taasingegade.news.jacob-sparre.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: munin.nbi.dk 1237874214 21417 85.82.239.166 (24 Mar 2009 05:56:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:56:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:LjauetsLQwY+eiXDAcK5gKtC25A= Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:5216 Date: 2009-03-24T06:56:54+01:00 List-Id: Brian wrote: > Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote: >> Considering the papers I have read comparing how engineering >> students succeed in implementing embedded systems in Ada and C, I >> disagree. >> >> There is of course the difference that the students most likely got >> their development system served on a silver platter. You may want >> to see if you can get information on what they have been working >> with. (Asking John W. McCormick might be the easy way to get the >> information.) > > Hmmm, with no consideration of the scope, size, and complexity of the > problem space that Chris is trying to tackle, you disagree? I _have_ considered the scope, size and complexity of the problem space Chris was kind enough to describe. Given that information, my experience with teaching people software engineering, my own programming experience, and my experience with hobbyist scale robotics, I stand firmly by my disagreement with your advice. > So, you truly believe that Ada is a better language, no matter what > he is trying to achieve? I never claimed that. > For any size project? I expect that the benefits grow with project size. But given the constraints I considered, yes! > It isn't the perfect tool for every situation, embedded or not. And > we should stop saying that it is, the language and it's proponents > are losing credibility. I never claimed that Ada is the perfect tool for every situation. Stop #�%&!" putting words in my mouth! Greetings, Jacob -- Stop the proliferation of weapons of maths instruction!