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From: Keith Thompson <kst@cts.com>
Subject: Re: garbage collection
Date: 1999/08/20
Date: 1999-08-20T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yecwvuqhrkx.fsf@king.cts.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: vvhv3.214$36.49923@typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net

tmoran@bix.com writes:
> > > No.  When the access type goes out of scope there is clearly no way
> > > the storage can be on the target end of a pointer, so the
> > > implementation should free that storage.
> >
> > Just to clarify, most implementations don't actually do this.
>   Why?  Is an implementation not easy, efficient, and predictable?
> And of course overidable by the user simply by raising the
> level where the access type is declared.
>   It seems undesirable to have to specify a number, big enough, but
> not too big, for the amount of storage needed when you merely want
> to get automatic deallocation.

I just realized that I had mis-read the article to which I was
responding.  What "most implementations don't actually do" is general
garbage collection, i.e., freeing allocated memory after it becomes
inaccessible.  Freeing allocated memory when leaving the scope of an
access type is much easier.

I *think* that most implementations don't even do this, but I'm not as
sure on this point.  It does impose a little extra overhead, in both
time and space.

Specifying the 'Storage_Pool attribute is a very powerful and
under-used feature, IMHO.  The biggest obstacle to its use, I suspect,
is the need to implement the Storage_Pool operations.

If System.Storage_Pools also provided routines for dereferencing
access values (perhaps one each for reading and writing), and perhaps
also for initialization and finalization of access objects, it would
be even more powerful.  I haven't entirely thought this through, so it
may be a bad idea for some reason.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst@cts.com  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center           <*>  <http://www.sdsc.edu/~kst>
One of the great tragedies of ancient history is that Helen of Troy
lived before the invention of the champagne bottle.




  reply	other threads:[~1999-08-20  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-08-18  0:00 garbage collection Ronald Ayoub
1999-08-18  0:00 ` tmoran
1999-08-18  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-19  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1999-08-19  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-19  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-20  0:00     ` tmoran
1999-08-20  0:00       ` Keith Thompson [this message]
1999-08-20  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-08-20  0:00           ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-21  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1999-08-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-21  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-08-21  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-21  0:00           ` garbage collection [storage pools] Robert Dewar
1999-08-21  0:00             ` Simon Wright
1999-08-21  0:00         ` garbage collection Brian Rogoff
1999-08-21  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-21  0:00         ` Default Storage Pool (was Re: garbage collection) Simon Wright
1999-08-23  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-18  0:00 ` garbage collection Robert I. Eachus
1999-08-19  0:00   ` Gautier
1999-08-19  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-08-20  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-18  0:00 ` Pascal MALAISE
1999-08-20  0:00   ` David Botton
1999-08-18  0:00 ` Gisle S�lensminde
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-10-24  0:00 Garbage Collection H Brett Bolen
1989-01-10 19:16 Erland Sommarskog
1989-01-11 16:10 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-06 22:17 Erland Sommarskog
1989-01-08 18:40 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-09  3:56   ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-09 16:22     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-09 19:00       ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-10  2:50         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-11  9:22           ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-11 16:01             ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-11 18:21               ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-12  2:43                 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-15  7:14                   ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-05 23:26 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-31  0:04 Erland Sommarskog
1989-01-05  8:13 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-28 19:20 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-30  0:52 ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-26 23:37 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-27 21:24 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-28 16:09   ` Snorri Agnarsson
1988-12-30  0:46     ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-27 22:24 ` Bob Hathaway
1988-12-18 20:12 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-20 19:04 ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-13 20:07 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-15 19:13 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-07 15:22 Collective response to := messa ron
1988-12-11 19:11 ` Garbage Collection William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-12  5:29   ` John Gateley
1988-12-12 18:19     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-13  1:02       ` Alexander Klaiber
1988-12-13 18:37         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-13 23:36           ` Alexander Klaiber
1988-12-14  3:26             ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-14 17:16             ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-15 14:43             ` Thomas P. Morris
1988-12-14 23:30           ` John Gateley
1988-12-15 19:25             ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-19 16:12               ` John Gateley
1988-12-20 19:34                 ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-13 20:22         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-14  6:40           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1988-12-14 17:43             ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-02 17:51   ` ryer
1989-01-05  8:31     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-06 16:58   ` ryer
1989-01-08 19:24     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
     [not found] <145@krafla.rhi.hi.is>
     [not found] ` <272@fang.ATT.COM>
1988-03-29 13:47   ` From Modula to Oberon Denis Fortin
1988-03-30 15:32     ` Lawrence Crowl
1988-03-30 22:41       ` Hans Boehm
1988-03-31  6:27         ` Garbage Collection Richard Harter
1988-03-31 19:49           ` Hans Boehm
1988-04-01  5:43             ` Richard Harter
1988-04-01 18:43               ` Hans Boehm
1988-04-04 23:14           ` 00704a-Liber
1986-03-16 22:24 Garbage collection "Alexander L. Wolf"
     [not found] <1979@mit-eddi.UUCP>
     [not found] ` <2144@mit-eddie.UUCP>
1984-06-18 19:28   ` Abstraction In Ada Jon Mauney
1984-06-22  7:47     ` Doug Alan
1984-06-25  2:15       ` brad
1984-07-17 10:34         ` garbage collection Eric Smith
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