From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.megapath.net!news.megapath.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:01:50 -0600 From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng References: <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <87is4598pm.fsf@insalien.org> <1110054476.533590@athnrd02> <1110059861.560004@athnrd02> <422b6d49.1141887367@news.xs4all.nl> <1110266099.441421.179290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1110332933.587110.260410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1110 Subject: Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:04:12 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.32.209.38 X-Trace: sv3-GOi1eahtBWrNV/1QB0eeixMIGXR+6e0bEtmE44+4Ms9M+qP/lG199OnqvzsiL3S1OJ1u6OgiX1NsQNi!GzqmCYYxUiZYsaSim811H7XvqOeP2JMdHTMH0+Kns40nN9Obm1p3zcD7fpGkNcsKcoPRBdf2c2Ah X-Complaints-To: abuse@megapath.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@megapath.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.31 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9768 comp.lang.c++:46750 comp.realtime:1594 comp.software-eng:5196 Date: 2005-03-22T18:04:12-06:00 List-Id: "Paul Dietz" wrote in message news:d1ngq0$r7e$1@avnika.corp.mot.com... > adaworks@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Still, when we hold one development environment (an Ada compiler) > > to a higher standard, we need to understand that difference when > > making comparions. It costs a great deal more money to produce > > a compiler that must pass validation (now conformity) than to > > create one in which the defects are intended to be discovered > > by the users and fixed in some future release. > > If one has a copy of the validation test suite, why is it necessary > to wait for the users to find the bugs? Is it that you have to pay > for the cost of fixing the bugs that the users would never encounter? I'm not quite sure what your point is. But I think Richard was comparing a compiler that was conformity tested against one that was not. So, such a system wouldn't have been tested against any test suite. Of course, in actual practice, there is a continuum of testing practice, from formal conformity assessment to completely untested. I doubt that there are many commercial systems on either extreme of that continuum, but Ada systems tend to be close to the formally tested end. Randy.