From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,f49c8f164340c377 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr22.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!cfe18fef!not-for-mail From: Gary Scott Organization: Home User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Current status of Ada? References: <7744bf.vg4.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <1188580722.187449.288030@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.94.33.193 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr22.news.prodigy.net 1188666142 ST000 68.94.33.193 (Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:02:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:02:22 EDT X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@FS@]RV@[WBHB^WHAAJYFBL@MAHU^_BAMEH]TCDYG^WHKAH_[JTXDX_KI\VB]JBVMS^YT_G[CZVWAOS\DHFWEH]@KGXYHB\_CMDSFABP^J[AHHRKARLE_JDBLJ\XA[JRMEI]MGJSPB\Y]^KG\@S^@VQKI_Q[G@@_ACSARASDEFLBJ]S\GFNTUAVBL Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:02:13 -0500 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:1653 Date: 2007-09-01T12:02:13-05:00 List-Id: Markus E L wrote: > Adam Beneschan wrote: > > >>On Aug 31, 7:25 am, wrote: >> >> >>>I used to do a lot of training and consulting for Lockheed and CSC related >>>to the Aegis project. Soon after the Paige memo, Lockheed dictated that >>>the software for Aegis would be written in C++ instead of Ada. Almost all >>>training in Ada stopped, and the programmers were given intensive training >>>in C++. I told everyone that it was a big mistake, but my advice was of >>>little interest to those who were already biased toward C++. The answer >>>was, "We can find C++ programmers right out of university CS programs, >>>but no one teaches Ada in CS." >> >>Sigh... My initial reaction to this is that this thinking is just >>totally wrong-headed, and for reasons having nothing to do with the >>languages involved. I frankly wouldn't expect good results from >>*anyone* who can program in language X because it's what they learned >>in college but couldn't pick up language Y; to me, I wouldn't trust >>someone like that to have a real understanding of "software" or >>"programming", and because of that I wouldn't expect them to write >>good software no matter how good language X is, even if it were Ada. >>Ada is not a good enough language to make up for a fundamental lack of >>software engineering understanding. >> >>But I could be way off base. > > > No. This was approximately my reaction when I read "can find C++ > programmers right out of university". But part of the issue has been unhappiness of the programmers themselves. When told that they would have to program in Ada, the C programmers were turning down job offers. Not because they couldn't pick up Ada, but because they wanted to keep their C skills polished in case they found a better position elsewhere. You do get rusty from non-use, and you fall behind the latest standards over time. > > Regards -- Markus > -- Gary Scott mailto:garylscott@sbcglobal dot net Fortran Library: http://www.fortranlib.com Support the Original G95 Project: http://www.g95.org -OR- Support the GNU GFortran Project: http://gcc.gnu.org/fortran/index.html If you want to do the impossible, don't hire an expert because he knows it can't be done. -- Henry Ford