From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-11-14 11:32:47 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sttln1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark Lundquist" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <9smmcg$r0l$1@news.huji.ac.il> <3BF193F3.5090903@maciejsobczak.com> Subject: Re: Future with Ada X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:32:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.56.237 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sttln1.wa.home.com 1005766366 24.248.56.237 (Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:32:46 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:32:46 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:16536 Date: 2001-11-14T19:32:46+00:00 List-Id: "Maciej Sobczak" wrote in message news:3BF193F3.5090903@maciejsobczak.com... > >So where this trend to Java/C# comes from? From > money, of course. And there's a crowd that follows. > "Money-oriented programming". A quote from Alexander Stepanov (author of the C++ Standard Template Library): "I spent several months programming in Java. Contrary to its authors prediction, it did not grow on me. : I did not find any new insights - for the first time in my life programming in a new language did not bring me new insights. It keeps all the stuff that I never use in C++ - inheritance, virtuals - OO gook - and removes the stuff that I find useful. It might be successful - after all, MS DOS was - and it might be a profitable thing for all your readers to learn Java, but it has no intellectual value whatsoever. Look at their implementation of hash tables. Look at the sorting routines that come with their "cool" sorting applet. Try to use AWT. The best way to judge a language is to look at the code written by its proponents. "Radix enim omnium malorum est cupiditas" - and Java is clearly an example of a money oriented programming (MOP). As the chief proponent of Java at SGI told me: 'Alex, you have to go where the money is.' But I do not particularly want to go where the money is - it usually does not smell nice there." - Mark P.S. I still need someone like Dewar to tell me what the Latin means :-)