From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,93a8020cc980d113 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: What is wrong with Ada? References: <1176150704.130880.248080@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <461B52A6.20102@obry.net> From: Markus E Leypold Organization: N/A Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:08:09 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) Cancel-Lock: sha1:GjFx8SqZScKLdnY+Y8H+UYxR2AI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.72.227.169 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1176228051 88.72.227.169 (10 Apr 2007 20:00:51 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder3.cambrium.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!217.73.144.44.MISMATCH!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.unit0.net!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:14879 Date: 2007-04-10T20:08:09+02:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" writes: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:59:27 GMT, Jeffrey R. Carter wrote: > >> Pascal Obry wrote: >>> Jeffrey R. Carter a �crit : >>> >>>> Nothing is wrong with Ada. It is a language for SW engineers. Since 98% >>>> of SW developers are coders, not SW engineers, 98% prefer languages for >>>> coders. >>> >>> Agreed 100%. Another way to put it, let me ask : What's wrong with >>> developers ? Why do they like unsafe languages ? Why do they like >>> fighting a language all the time ? Why do they like unreadable code ? >>> Why do they like to play with a debugger ? Why do they like to play >>> Sherlock Holmes during hours to look for a bug ? Here are the real >>> questions to me, again nothing wrong with Ada to me ! >> >> The answer is: because they're coders, not SW engineers. >> >> Let's get circular. > > Let me break the circle: > > It is because SW engineering is not engineering. And that is because CS is > not much science. It rather sways between applied mathematics and "stamp > collecting." Two completely unrealistic and untenable attitudes. Both of you. Regards -- Markus