From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,39579ad87542da0e X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 X-Received: by 10.224.165.130 with SMTP id i2mr22392901qay.2.1368583927661; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Path: y6ni44351qax.0!nntp.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border4.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!nrc-news.nrc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!news.litech.org!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Seeking for papers about tagged types vs access to subprograms Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:14:41 +0200 Organization: cbb software GmbH Message-ID: References: <19lrzzbgm77v6.1dzpgqckptaj6.dlg@40tude.net> <1bfhq7jo34xpi.p8n2vq6yjsea.dlg@40tude.net> <12gn9wvv1gwfk.10ikfju4rzmnj.dlg@40tude.net> <1oy5rmprgawqs.1jz36okze0xju$.dlg@40tude.net> <1q2ql1e4rcgko.diszzq1mhaq8$.dlg@40tude.net> <1msoad3apbkf.1optea1ujjydv.dlg@40tude.net> Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de NNTP-Posting-Host: 15waz9CoS+eMakbyhTPyFQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 2013-05-12T09:14:41+02:00 List-Id: On Sun, 12 May 2013 08:25:33 +0200, Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) wrote: > Le Sun, 12 May 2013 08:02:16 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov > a écrit: >>>> The condition is moved to the post-condition. E.g. >>>> >>>> # require X >= 0.0 >>>> function sqrt (X : Float) return Float; >>>> # ensure sqrt (X)**2 = X >>>> >>>> is replaced with >>>> >>>> # require true >>>> function sqrt (X : Float) return Float; >>>> # ensure sqrt (X)**2 = X or else Constraint_Error raised >>> >>> It seems to me that this replacement loses information (the info that >>> X is "supposed to be nonnegative"). >> >> # ensure >> (X >= 0.0 and then sqrt (X)**2 = X) >> or else >> (X < 0.0 and then Constraint_Error raised) > > But what's the benefit of moving the precondition to the postcondition? Or > more simply, why dropping the idea of precondition for sub‑program > declarations? In short, because it is inconsistent with the notion of type. Other issues are merely consequences. > Do you have to re‑invent or re‑derive the precondition at each call place, > from the postcondition? Conditions at call place are of second kind. They could be any or none. > It makes more me feel like losing something than the opposite. And how do > you clearly connect valid invocations into sequence? See above, it is 1st and 2nd kind conditions. You are conflating the semantics of a type with the semantics of *a* program that uses this type somewhere, somehow. To put it simply: if a type is designed in a way that limits it use, it is a poor design. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de