From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38fc011071df5a27 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-30 14:15:49 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: Simon Wright Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ideas for Ada 200X Date: 30 May 2003 22:15:12 +0100 Organization: Pushface Sender: simon@smaug.pushface.org Message-ID: References: <6a90b886.0305262344.1d558079@posting.google.com> <3ED4A94C.2020501@noplace.com> <3ED6A852.75AC0133@adaworks.com> <3ED74ED3.4020505@noplace.com> <3ed75cc3$1@news.wineasy.se> <3ED7779E.930ABCEA@adaworks.com> <3ed7807d$1@news.wineasy.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: pogner.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1054329349 6994 62.49.19.209 (30 May 2003 21:15:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:15:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:38157 Date: 2003-05-30T22:15:12+01:00 List-Id: "Tarjei T. Jensen" writes: > Richard Riehle wrote: > > Even in academia, a professor is too often dependent on outside funding > for > > support. Also, students are not so compliant unless the work they are > doing > > is related to a pre-stated reward. Such rewards are more difficult to > > confer unless they are related to either an on-going class or funded > research. > > I'm not convinced that this is neccessarily Ph.D. stuff. Exploring might > just as well be done on the B.Sc. level. Especially if the person who owns > the project has a good understanding of what is needed and is willing to > help out on interface issues. > > E.g. a basic buffered streams I/O package will probably not need rocket > science if the project owner is willing to provide advice. The stuff on top > such a package -- like how to render numbers efficiently is of course a more > advanced topic. The need for a standard library/libraries isn't that it be clever, just that it be _there_! In fact I suspect that simple might be better. The most difficult part is getting agreement as to what should be in the standard. Look at the trouble container libraries make; task-safe or not, is iteration like C++'s STL or not, are maps sorted, ... The trouble with an individual doing this sort of work (obviously as a member of a team) is that you can't do it in your evenings/weekends and have a life; it really needs employer support for daytime work (not to mention travelling to face to face meetings in far flung places). Not too easy to come by nowadays.