From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: f43e6,55bd34f1cd6c5d50 X-Google-Thread: 103376,2da55323afbab070 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!proxad.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: Simon Wright Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Support Metrics for Ada / C Projects Date: 02 Sep 2004 20:18:40 +0100 Organization: Pushface Sender: simon@smaug.pushface.org Message-ID: References: <56db3f9e.0408222248.2226aefb@posting.google.com> <1c5ac0c6.0408311010.1cde35ca@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pogner.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1094153077 6861 62.49.19.209 (2 Sep 2004 19:24:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:24:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.software-eng:1664 comp.lang.ada:3274 Date: 2004-09-02T20:18:40+01:00 List-Id: "Jeff C," writes: > "Sean Cleary" wrote in message > > 5 or more years ago a project I was associated with failed because the > > Ada part of the team was crippled: no run time debug -- all reported > > back stuff was machine/assembly language level. They took to heavily > > instrumenting their code, and got huge printouts of exactly what was > > happening. And had to look through it line by line, loop cycle by loop > > cycle until the problem was found. That was so slow that it killed the > > project. Please do not let this happen to you. Their conclusion was > > that C++ with good tools would have been better. I hope that there are > > now good tools for embedded Ada. > I hate to feed the trolls but indicating that Ada tools for embedded were > bad 5 (or more?) years ago is not very helpful. There were bad Ada tools 5 > years ago. There were bad C++ tools 5 years ago. In fact, there are almost > certainly more bad C++ tools than Ada tools (given that there are more C++ > tools in existance). > > I have been using Ada since 1987. There were good tools then (VAX Ada was > pretty nice. Even for the embedded DEC OS). I've seen some bad tools too > (The Merdian Ada to C front end for the i860 comes to mind). The VxWorks gdb from ACT with Ada support is pretty good. Looks very nice with the (supported) GPS front-end, too! I don't use it all that often, though ... -- Simon Wright 100% Ada, no bugs.