From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 11cae8,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid11cae8,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: drush@zakalwe.raleigh.ibm.com Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ? Date: 1996/12/13 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 203959444 references: <32A4659D.347A@shef.ac.uk> <32A71BC6.2D857063@arscorp.com> organization: ISSC South Region, RTP, NC newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lnag.java,comp.object,comp.software-eng originator: drush@zakalwe.raleigh.ibm.com Date: 1996-12-13T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: ObOOPSelfCongratulation: I'm finding this thread to be *very* interesting. Thanks, everyone. Samuel Shuster wrote: > However, if we look and judge by when the rigor of the discipline of >Structured/Procedural technology is used, then I believe it has succeeded >fairly well. > I'm glad to see someone else saying this for a change. Good programming practices don't change just because the technology changes. Using smalltalk (your-OOPL-here) means that you don't spend as much time implementing the infrastructure used to support good practices. Or it should. > Further, if we look and judge Object Technology in terms of a rigor & >discipline, I believe it to be successful also. > No argument here. (the preceding sentence was included as flame-proofing material.) >the lip service of the self anointed experts whom I wouldn't trust to >design my cat's upchucked hair balls... even from a fresh example. Please, don't hold back. Tell us how you *really* feel. I *like* object gurus. On toast. > TANSTAAFL. The biggest problem facing the software community is the too >widespread belief that Object Technology is a free lunch. Damn straight. I'm really sick of this industry's tendency to look for "silver bullets." Good code for a big problem takes time to develop. ObWorry: Are patterns going to turn into the next silver bullet buzzword? I hope not. But I do find them useful for speeding the discussion of design ideas. (Smalltalkin') david rush mailto:kumo@intercenter.net flamesto:/dev/null I bill $100/min for reading commercial email