From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-10 02:22:04 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!freenix!grolier!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.spb.su!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!newsfeed.kpnqwest.fi!news.kpnqwest.fi!not-for-mail Sender: ola@arenal.cyberell.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: Beginner's Language? References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87snihxiwc.fsf@frown.here> <9dbi83$sji$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <5WjK6.72$Dd5.32782@ruti.visi.com> From: Ola Rinta-Koski Message-ID: Organization: Cyberell Oy User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:16:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.226.128.170 X-Complaints-To: helpdesk@kpnqwest.fi X-Trace: news.kpnqwest.fi 989486188 212.226.128.170 (Thu, 10 May 2001 12:16:28 EET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:16:28 EET DST Xref: newsfeed.google.com comp.lang.ada:7447 comp.lang.lisp:9916 comp.lang.smalltalk:9678 comp.lang.functional:5616 comp.lang.scheme:3768 comp.lang.perl:2766 Date: 2001-05-10T09:16:28+00:00 List-Id: thornley@visi.com (David Thornley) writes: > C++, properly taught, does. I don't know if it's properly taught > anywhere. I've taught C as a first language successfully, and the > areas that gave the most trouble are the areas that I could avoid > using C++. No more pointers, C-style arrays, C-style string handling, > or printf/scanf. I must be missing something here. What kind of non-trivial program can be written without pointers in C++? Certainly not one using any OOP features like virtual functions etc. -- Ola Rinta-Koski ola@cyberell.com Cyberell Oy +358 41 467 2502 Rauhankatu 8 C, FIN-00170 Helsinki, FINLAND www.cyberell.com