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From: "robin" <robin_v@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Buffer overflow Article - CACM
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:27:24 GMT
Date: 2005-11-30T15:27:24+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wxjjf.7688$ea6.6589@news-server.bigpond.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m3psop8e45.fsf@mobile.int.cbbrowne.com

Christopher Browne wrote in message ...

>Something that is only approximately correct but that is super-fast
>may, in cases where time or computational effort *are* at a premium,
>be preferable to a slower "correct all the time" program.
>
>The trouble with formal verification methods is that they consume time
>(for the analysis work) when you may well discover that the problem
>wasn't specified well enough in the first place for formal
>verification to actually do any material good.
>
>Having super-well-specified problems is extremely necessary when doing
>"rocket science;" if it costs $1B to fire off a rocket, and you don't
>get a second chance, it's necessary to do whatever up-front effort is
>required to make sure the problem is super-well-specified.
>
>But there are a lot of cases where that level of effort is not
>warranted, and it's NOT worth getting "super-detailed, super-correct"
>specifications, and it's NOT worth various of the efforts.
>
>Where the CACM article has some things *right* is that there are
>plenty of systems where it would be way too costly to reimplement them
>in a buffer-overflow-immune language.  People are not going to redo
>everything in PL/1 or Ada just because they have better specified
>string types.  They don't have time.

Perhaps the message of the article is that for future
projects those languages would provide better outcomes.

>--
>(format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "ntlug.org")





  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-30 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-13  5:14 Buffer overflow Article - CACM adaworks
2005-11-13  7:35 ` tmoran
2005-11-13  8:49 ` Martin Krischik
2005-11-13 11:55   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-13 14:58     ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-14 13:44       ` Marc A. Criley
2005-11-14 19:13     ` Martin Krischik
2005-11-13 15:02 ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-13 15:44 ` Stephen Leake
2005-11-14 14:40   ` adaworks
2005-11-13 23:57 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-14  6:51   ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-14 17:55     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-15  9:14       ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-14  7:09   ` Pascal Obry
2005-11-14  8:35     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-14 20:57       ` Simon Wright
2005-11-15  8:49         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-15 14:03           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-15 15:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-15 22:32               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-16  1:21                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-11-16  9:26                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-16 13:02                   ` adaworks
2005-11-17 11:13                     ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-14 17:58     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-14 18:44       ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-11-25  5:56       ` Christopher Browne
2005-11-26  1:31         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-27 21:36         ` adaworks
2005-11-28 12:12           ` Simon Clubley
2005-12-01  2:35           ` robin
2005-12-01  7:05             ` adaworks
2005-12-03 13:42               ` robin
2005-12-03 18:18                 ` adaworks
2005-12-12  1:23                   ` robin
2005-12-31  7:39                   ` robin
2005-12-31 17:03                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-01 12:12                     ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-01 23:12                       ` robin
2006-01-02  3:37                         ` jimmaureenrogers
2006-01-12 22:10                           ` robin
2006-01-03  9:52                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-12 22:10                           ` robin
2006-01-12 22:36                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-13 19:53                             ` Keith Thompson
2006-01-13 20:22                               ` Dan Nagle
2006-01-14 17:50                               ` Björn Persson
     [not found]                             ` <12ces1lv5dvm6pifdapj11o1hrtlm6ec7q@4ax.com>
2006-01-13 23:28                               ` robin
2005-11-30 15:27         ` robin [this message]
2005-11-14 10:17   ` Peter Amey
2005-11-29  8:16     ` Harald Korneliussen
2005-11-29 10:48       ` Peter Amey
2005-11-30 21:21       ` Brian May
2005-12-01  5:36         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-12-01  9:01           ` Harald Korneliussen
2005-12-01 11:21             ` Martin Dowie
2005-12-01 17:58             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
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