From: "robin" <robin_v@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Buffer overflow Article - CACM
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:27:24 GMT
Date: 2005-11-30T15:27:24+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <wxjjf.7688$ea6.6589@news-server.bigpond.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m3psop8e45.fsf@mobile.int.cbbrowne.com
Christopher Browne wrote in message ...
>Something that is only approximately correct but that is super-fast
>may, in cases where time or computational effort *are* at a premium,
>be preferable to a slower "correct all the time" program.
>
>The trouble with formal verification methods is that they consume time
>(for the analysis work) when you may well discover that the problem
>wasn't specified well enough in the first place for formal
>verification to actually do any material good.
>
>Having super-well-specified problems is extremely necessary when doing
>"rocket science;" if it costs $1B to fire off a rocket, and you don't
>get a second chance, it's necessary to do whatever up-front effort is
>required to make sure the problem is super-well-specified.
>
>But there are a lot of cases where that level of effort is not
>warranted, and it's NOT worth getting "super-detailed, super-correct"
>specifications, and it's NOT worth various of the efforts.
>
>Where the CACM article has some things *right* is that there are
>plenty of systems where it would be way too costly to reimplement them
>in a buffer-overflow-immune language. People are not going to redo
>everything in PL/1 or Ada just because they have better specified
>string types. They don't have time.
Perhaps the message of the article is that for future
projects those languages would provide better outcomes.
>--
>(format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "ntlug.org")
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2005-11-13 5:14 Buffer overflow Article - CACM adaworks
2005-11-13 7:35 ` tmoran
2005-11-13 8:49 ` Martin Krischik
2005-11-13 11:55 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-13 14:58 ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-14 13:44 ` Marc A. Criley
2005-11-14 19:13 ` Martin Krischik
2005-11-13 15:02 ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-13 15:44 ` Stephen Leake
2005-11-14 14:40 ` adaworks
2005-11-13 23:57 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-14 6:51 ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-14 17:55 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-15 9:14 ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-14 7:09 ` Pascal Obry
2005-11-14 8:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-14 20:57 ` Simon Wright
2005-11-15 8:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-15 14:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-15 15:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-15 22:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-16 1:21 ` Robert A Duff
2005-11-16 9:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-16 13:02 ` adaworks
2005-11-17 11:13 ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-14 17:58 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-14 18:44 ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-11-25 5:56 ` Christopher Browne
2005-11-26 1:31 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-27 21:36 ` adaworks
2005-11-28 12:12 ` Simon Clubley
2005-12-01 2:35 ` robin
2005-12-01 7:05 ` adaworks
2005-12-03 13:42 ` robin
2005-12-03 18:18 ` adaworks
2005-12-12 1:23 ` robin
2005-12-31 7:39 ` robin
2005-12-31 17:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-01 12:12 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-01 23:12 ` robin
2006-01-02 3:37 ` jimmaureenrogers
2006-01-12 22:10 ` robin
2006-01-03 9:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-12 22:10 ` robin
2006-01-12 22:36 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-13 19:53 ` Keith Thompson
2006-01-13 20:22 ` Dan Nagle
2006-01-14 17:50 ` Björn Persson
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2006-01-13 23:28 ` robin
2005-11-30 15:27 ` robin [this message]
2005-11-14 10:17 ` Peter Amey
2005-11-29 8:16 ` Harald Korneliussen
2005-11-29 10:48 ` Peter Amey
2005-11-30 21:21 ` Brian May
2005-12-01 5:36 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-12-01 9:01 ` Harald Korneliussen
2005-12-01 11:21 ` Martin Dowie
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