From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,7684e927a2475d0 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!bcklog1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.sun.com!news.sun.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:26:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: can one build commercial applications with latest gnat and other licenses related questions... References: <449d2a28$0$11075$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> <449d5c03$0$11074$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> <6sbqsh6jv7.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> From: Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen Organization: Sun Microsystems Date: 27 Jun 2006 09:26:26 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cache-Post-Path: news1nwk!unknown@techra25.norway.sun.com X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.18.43.249 X-Trace: sv3-3erV+3QvpcVxuA30tGBd0LI29dPadpvmBPElyCKeMietiW7kdacG0+ODwTYZ91zQKysp3kFSVrFioiL!aWFMIFZU9oizrOHCC/VRkUWZUfYbvJudsFOCTwVVNXpUt36NF/0u5qhG0T0y7xz40dkI3fL+vljS!iQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@sun.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@sun.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:5051 Date: 2006-06-27T09:26:26+02:00 List-Id: Completely agree. The current licensing model of GNAT does very little to promote the growth of Ada, but brings a lot of FUD. Once again we are shooting ourselves in the foot. >>>>> "DLB" == Dennis Lee Bieber writes: DLB> On 25 Jun 2006 22:49:48 +0200, M E Leypold DLB> declaimed DLB> the following in comp.lang.ada: >> >> Completely right. But: There is also the case when the customer wants >> the developer(s) to sign an NDA. Usually (happened too me) these >> customers are deeply uneasy with the GPL around. They fear (and I DLB> Don't know how cost effective it would be -- but, from my viewpoint, DLB> at least, if a customer wants an NDA in the contract negotiations, the DLB> developer could bring in the cost of the GnatPro license (with compiler DLB> system with license treated as part of the deliverables, or obtained by DLB> the customer with developer working onsite) DLB> The GPL curse applies to small independent developers seeking to DLB> produce generally marketable products -- the next Quicken, or DLB> VersaCheck, for example... Given the prohibitive cost of obtaining a DLB> closed-distribution capability for GNAT, they might easily chose to DLB> substitute some other language -- M$ C++ compiler without the DLB> VisualStudio environment appears to be available for the download; Sun's DLB> Java seems to be behind a number of applications... DLB> -- DLB> Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG DLB> wlfraed@ix.netcom.com wulfraed@bestiaria.com DLB> HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ DLB> (Bestiaria Support Staff: web-asst@bestiaria.com) DLB> HTTP://www.bestiaria.com/ -- C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade.