From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,3be76ca884705a45 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.dougwise.org!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder2-2.proxad.net!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool2.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <8dd2a69d-574c-4f12-a644-ae4b2fd89709@r4g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> <4D7FA036.7020401@obry.net> <87ei686vol.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <1rts6l41zobmz.1cudqx6jeu5qu$.dlg@40tude.net> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:19:44 +0200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Mar 2011 14:19:44 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 21e95d01.newsspool2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=JI>>H@1Agk685[]]\]T081A9EHlD;3Yc24Fo<]lROoR18kF[6LHn;2LCV>7enW;^6ZC`4\`mfM[68DC34_:Q9W?nia2 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:19515 Date: 2011-03-28T14:19:44+02:00 List-Id: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:25:30 +0200, Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57) wrote: > Le Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:26:02 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov > a �crit: >> No, I mean that things being taught are often ignored or hated by >> students. > Ouch, that's so bad ? :( Or maybe worse? >> Practical work leaves a deeper imprint. In general I am a bit sceptical >> about teaching programming languages. Programming is not a science and >> languages are even less than science. > True for Ada, which was designed with practical purpose in mind, but just > less true some other languages (not the topic here anyway). Even more true for those. > Yes, Ada is not formal in the mathematical sense. A programming language must be formal in terms of the science of programming, which does not exist. The languages you probably have in mind are as formal as numerology is. It is modern times scholastics. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de