From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,24d7acf9b853aac8 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!not-for-mail From: Robert A Duff Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: S-expression I/O in Ada Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:50:32 -0400 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Message-ID: References: <547afa6b-731e-475f-a7f2-eaefefb25861@k8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <1qk2k63kzh7yv$.3jgc403xcqdw$.dlg@40tude.net> <8ae8e899-9eef-4c8c-982e-bfdfc10072f1@h17g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <258zlxrv4fn6.1vszho1rtmf48$.dlg@40tude.net> <984db477-973c-4a66-9bf6-e5348c9b95f2@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <46866b8yq8nn$.151lqiwa0y2k6.dlg@40tude.net> <13b07f2c-2f35-43e0-83c5-1b572c65d323@y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> <13tpf7ya3evig$.h05p3x08059s$.dlg@40tude.net> <1lhdkikeh2sif.bd3pon3knbv8.dlg@40tude.net> <7027f0c6-d909-428c-ab8d-6ba1bd7ff4b2@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <1424bzz54867w.soj1iq72wkwl$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: pcls4.std.com 1281444635 21105 192.74.137.71 (10 Aug 2010 12:50:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:50:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.1008 (Gnus v5.10.8) Emacs/21.3 (irix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xtjHES7tFsMFRlW0GYhHi1GfdJ0= Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:13056 Date: 2010-08-10T08:50:32-04:00 List-Id: "Randy Brukardt" writes: > Not sure if it still exists in the real world, but the compiler we did for > the Unisys mainframes used Stream_Element'Size = 9. Interesting. Can these machines communicate with non-Unisys machines over a regular TCP/IP network? E.g. send an e-mail using standard protocols, that can be read on a x86? I assume Storage_Element'Size = 9, too. Correct? Next question: Is (was) there any Ada implementation where Stream_Element'Size /= Storage_Element'Size? >...(The Unisys mainframes > are 36-bit machines.) Stream_Element'Size = 8 would have made the code for > handling arrays awful. > > Similarly, Character'Size = 9 on that machine. That sounds like a non-conformance, at least if the SP Annex is supported. Maybe you mean X'Size = 9, where X is of type Character? You'd certainly want 'Component_Size = 9 for array-of-Character. > That would have made a compiler for the Unisys machines impossible; it would > have made streaming impossible. There is no sane way to put 36-bit values > into Octets - the only way that would have worked would have been to use > 16-bits for every 9-bit byte. > > Whether this is a significant consideration today (in 2010) is debatable, > but it surely was a real consideration back in 1993-4. So Ada 95 could not > have made this choice. I think it would not be a good idea to make Ada unimplementable on "odd-ball" machines. - Bob