From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!nntp.TheWorld.com!not-for-mail From: Robert A Duff Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) Date: 12 Mar 2005 17:13:31 -0500 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Message-ID: References: <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <3SjWd.103128$Vf.3969241@news000.worldonline.dk> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <87is4598pm.fsf@insalien.org> <1110054476.533590@athnrd02> <1110059861.560004@athnrd02> <422b6d49.1141887367@news.xs4all.nl> <1110266099.441421.179290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1110332933.587110.260410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1110390097.532139.43430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <422f3808$0$30165$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> <1110409958.685759.249420@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <15SdnYvJ0_x3Vq3fRVn-3Q@megapath.net> <1110522060.091940.178510@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <42315f11$0$28073$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> <1110560302.607715.198440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01-e.theworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: pcls4.std.com 1110665613 8714 69.38.147.31 (12 Mar 2005 22:13:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:13:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9264 comp.lang.c++:45351 comp.realtime:1389 comp.software-eng:4952 Date: 2005-03-12T17:13:31-05:00 List-Id: "Jerry Coffin" writes: > Adrien Plisson wrote: > > Jerry Coffin wrote: > > > Second, if the work had been done exclusively or primarily in > > > a language the DoD considered its own, I suspect opening it up > > > to the public would have taken even longer, if it was ever > > > allowed to happen at all. > > > > but still ARPA-net was created by the United States Defense Advanced > > Research Project Agency, part of... the DoD ! > > That was exactly my point: it started out as a DoD-funded project. The > question is about what happened then -- how willing the DoD was to open > the project to the public at large. As it was, the project was done > with DoD funding, but was really done at and by universities. While it > is openly acknowledged to have fulfilled its original intent extremely > well, nearly every choice in its design and implementation was about as > UN-military as possible. Despite this, it took 20+ years before it was > really open to the general public. > > Had even ONE element in the design or implementation fit even slightly > more closely with the military mind-set, I doubt it would have been > opened up to the public yet, or possibly ever. Sorry, I don't know how to say it politely, but this argument (on both sides) is patently ridiculous. For one thing, neither C++ nor Ada 95 existed at the time the Arpanet was created. For another thing, Ada has never been "a language the DoD considered its own" -- the design has always been entirely open. For goodness sakes, they even chose a foreigner (Jean Ichbiah, who is French) to do the original 1983 language design! - Bob