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Subject: Re: Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3?
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From: Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net>
Date: 24 Mar 2010 14:11:56 -0700
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Warren <ve3wwg@gmail.com> writes:

> Patrick Scheible expounded in news:w9z39zqlr2s.fsf@zipcon.net:
> 
> > Warren <ve3wwg@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> >> balson expounded in news:4BA8BA91.4050905@cherrystonesoftware.com:
> >> 
> >> > Andrea Taverna wrote:
> >> >> Hi folks!
> >> > [snip]
> >> >> In the past I used C, but now I have decided to change language.
> >> >> I'm looking for a "better" one.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here follow the features it should have, ranked approximately by
> >> >> relevance: 
> >> >>
> >> >> 0) open-source support and an alive community
> >> >> 1) directly compiled to efficient code
> >> >> 2) statically typed and object-oriented, better if multi-paradigm
> >> >> 3) general-purpose libraries (possibly standardized, either by
> >> >> standard or de facto), including containers and some math
> >> >> abstractions. 4) garbage collected. As an alternative, provide
> >> >> memory management policies via libraries (e.g. memory pools and
> >> >> such) 5) optional run-time checks and some kind of control over
> >> >> compilation and low-level issues
> >> >> 6) "relatively simple and consistent"
> >> > 
> >> >      Where's performance on this list?  
> >> 
> >> Performance is mentioned in "1) directly compiled to efficient 
> >> code".
> >> 
> >> > IOW, stay away from the likes of Java, C#, Pascal. Unless you
> >> > have a 
> >> > very specific reason for going in that direction. Your performance
> >> > will suffer.
> >> > Jim
> >> 
> >> I don't think many people would be surprised by these results.
> >> After all Java, C# and Pascal (variants) are still largely 
> >> interpreted  languages, even if they use some sort of compiled 
> >> intermediate code.
> > 
> > Pascal is not an interpreted language.  One of Pascal's selling points
> > was that it was one of the first languages that could be parsed by a
> > simple recursive descent parser without backtracking.
> > 
> > -- Patrick
> 
> P-code implementations were.

True.  But P-code was for student use, not production, especially not
production in an application where execution time was critical.

-- Patrick