From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-09 00:23:00 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.iac.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!148.122.208.68!news2.oke.nextra.no!nextra.com!news1.oke.nextra.no.POSTED!not-for-mail Sender: ev@wallace.ws.nextra.no Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: Beginner's Language? References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87snihxiwc.fsf@frown.here> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Espen Vestre Organization: what, me? Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 09 May 2001 09:19:24 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.122.207.178 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@nextra.no X-Trace: news1.oke.nextra.no 989392766 148.122.207.178 (Wed, 09 May 2001 09:19:26 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:19:26 MET DST Xref: newsfeed.google.com comp.lang.ada:7354 comp.lang.lisp:9855 comp.lang.smalltalk:9614 comp.lang.functional:5579 comp.lang.scheme:3719 comp.lang.perl:2726 Date: 2001-05-09T09:19:24+02:00 List-Id: Friedrich Dominicus writes: > > The languages you mention are all useful for a student to learn at some > > juncture in their education. However as a *first* language, I think some of > > them would be poorly suited. Definitely C(++) and Lisp stick out as things I > > would *NOT* try to teach as a first programming language. > > Why no Lisp? I thougth the same. I've been teaching common lisp as the first language for computer-inexperienced students (Macintosh Common Lisp, to be precise, which is especially well suited for teaching) and thought it was just great (if any of my former students read this and disagree, then feel free to comment ;-))! -- (espen)