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From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ?
Date: 1996/12/12
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>>> "nickle" == Nick Leaton <nickle@calfp.co.uk> writes:

nickle> Piercarlo Grandi wrote:

pcg> Perhaps the reverse: if the tools were really advanced, perhaps
pcg> including a program generator (and despite claims to the contrary
pcg> no such thing has been yet produced), then high level design
pcg> activity would be almost all the project.

nickle> Available now, called a programer.

  rmartin> In another case, I have worked with a client who had a bunch
  rmartin> of "architects" doing nothing but drawing pretty Booch
  rmartin> diagrams and then throwing them over the wall to a bunch of
  rmartin> programmers.  The programmers hated the architects and
  rmartin> ignored what they produced.

Unfortunately, no matter how intensely so many managers wishfully think
so (note that I am implying that you are a ``suit'' or that you
wishfully think so, just that such wishful thinking is common among
them), programmers are not "tools", and often not even "really advanced"
ones :-).

That programmers are not tools is indeed the reason which explains
Robert Martin's observation that tossing buble diagrams over the wall
does not work.