From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,f49c8f164340c377 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!cfe18fef!not-for-mail From: Gary Scott Organization: Home User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Current status of Ada? References: <7744bf.vg4.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <1188580722.187449.288030@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <46DBB372.5050608@obry.net> In-Reply-To: <46DBB372.5050608@obry.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.94.33.193 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com 1188836315 ST000 68.94.33.193 (Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:18:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:18:35 EDT X-UserInfo1: SCSGW]CEGJPKR_DYABNLNFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RYIBK^RAQFW[ML\THRCKV^GGZKJMGV^^_JSCFFUA_QXFGVSCYRPILH]TRVKC^LSN@DX_HCAFX__@J\DAJBVMY\ZWZCZLPA^MVH_P@\\EOMW\YSXHG__IJQY_@M[A[[AXQ_XDSTAR]\PG]NVAQUVM Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:18:34 -0500 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:1704 Date: 2007-09-03T11:18:34-05:00 List-Id: Pascal Obry wrote: > anon a �crit : > >>Even this rule even exist today. If the customer wants C++, then you write >>the code in C++. If they say JAVA, you do JAVA, else you find find another >>job. > > > And if you have a boss with a brain you'll have to use Ada as it costs > less and is less error prone! You have to deal with the boss you have and the HR department you have. They both increasingly are driven by the finance department rather than the engineering department, trying to squeeze out that last bit of profit margin for the stockholders. They see the larger pool of ready trained (C) talent as contributing to holding salaries down (plenty of competition) and holding training costs in check. Companies have hiring quotas that require 40 and 50 percent hires direct from college, hardly well-honed software engineering skills at that stage. No, keeping salaries down is way up there in the criteria. > > And let me say it, Ada the language is not what people try to avoid... > they try to escape their role: Software Engineers and just act as simple > coder as it looks more fun! > > The simple sentence "we use C++ as there is more C++ guys out there" is > just bogus. I need good software engineers not somebody who knows C++ > and nothing about building safe and readable software! Good software > engineers are quite rare those days and they know whatever language. I > had one example recently, a guy knowing C/C++ only working with me on an > Ada project. In 15 days he was able to create good piece of code in Ada. > He already had the skills of a software engineer and this is the most > difficult part to acquire. Ada IMHO just help better keeping the line > straight and in this respect is the perfect tool for software engineer > as it supports good software practices quite well. > > Pascal. > -- Gary Scott mailto:garylscott@sbcglobal dot net Fortran Library: http://www.fortranlib.com Support the Original G95 Project: http://www.g95.org -OR- Support the GNU GFortran Project: http://gcc.gnu.org/fortran/index.html If you want to do the impossible, don't hire an expert because he knows it can't be done. -- Henry Ford