From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,1116ece181be1aea X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-09-07 20:39:52 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "William J. Thomas" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Is the Writing on the Wall for Ada? Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:40:00 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:42258 Date: 2003-09-07T23:40:00-04:00 List-Id: If you read between the lines its all hype. I know I've seen this type of hype before in the early 80's associated with a language named Ada. >From the article you notice that the Java real time community is already split into two different camps, and it looks like they are starting up a third to unite the two. Well, that certainly should fix things! What that really means is that the Java community is not all on the same page when it comes to making their "Web Page Safe Language" a real time contender. Let face it, if you wanted to you could probably make COBOL real-time if you nailed enough "real-time" specs to it. I mean when Java first came wasn't it touted as being the "safe" language that you would allow code to be downloaded onto your system via your web page/http connection? This was a language that was not supposed to know about hardware, or addresses, or interrupts, it also took out the garbage for you, so you could be as sloppy as you wanted, give me a break. Now they have committees up the wazoo trying to take the language in the completely opposite direction!!! And what ever happened to all the concern about standardization? C# is even an ECMA standard and will most likely end up an ISO standard. Who owns Java, Sun, well who could ask for more stability than that. If you look on the web for Java real-time solutions you will soon find yourself swimming in a sea of incompatibility, and proprietary techonology. Lets face it, the military (or should I say the individual services or should I say any organization that pays the bills) could give a rats ass on what things are coded in, the only thing they want to see are cheap applications and that translates to cheap software engineers. It's not going to matter WHAT language its coded in as much as WHERE its coded and by WHOM!!! Software Engineers don't come cheap in America, they come cheap in places like China and India. If you want to know what the software landscape is going to be like in 10 (make that 7) years just ask those folks, their the one's that are going to be coding it!!! William J. Thomas