From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-28 14:32:42 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!netnews.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Roedy Green Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Organization: Canadian Mind Products Reply-To: roedy@mindprod.com Message-ID: References: <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b366a2b$6$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> <9h7guv$pt1$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B3879CE.AC550F8E@acm.org> <3B3B1A19.AA1DBB16@acm.org> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:32:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.76.128.193 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.bc.home.com 993763962 24.76.128.193 (Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:32:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:32:42 PDT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9219 comp.lang.java.programmer:79455 comp.lang.pl1:1158 comp.lang.vrml:3938 comp.lang.java.advocacy:22183 Date: 2001-06-28T21:32:42+00:00 List-Id: On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:50:51 -0400, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" wrote or quoted : >As costs came down, there was also movement towards >departmental mainframes lined with NJE. At the utilities I am familiar with that is what happened. Engineering groups in the 80s went for minis, e.g. Vax, Prime, Data General, that were easier to program for engineering. There were great political battles to keep everything in the IBM camp under central control. I learned about the power of politics. The entire evaluation and implementation team was "released" after we picked the "wrong" computer (Burroughs instead of IBM) for a new gas project to track where all the pipes were in the ground. Released means you are effectively fired, but you are still on salary, free to roam the company seeking something useful to do. For more detail, please look up the key words mentioned in this post in the Java Glossary at: http://mindprod.com/gloss.html -- Roedy Green, Canadian Mind Products Custom computer programming since 1963. Ready to take on new work.