From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,85b02a301688919 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!out04b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in02.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!uns-out.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!pc02.usenetserver.com!news.flashnewsgroups.com-b7.4zTQh5tI3A!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: TIOBE Programming Community Index for November 2007 References: <1779892.Lp74q3fGR4@linux1.krischik.com> <472eed9f$1@news.post.ch> From: Stephen Leake Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/22.1 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:cE6iVtqNL5/b4qkq/8A+GFl7aXc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnewsgroups.com Organization: FlashNewsgroups.com X-Trace: 233e447303fb9e05e48ed19221 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:18205 Date: 2007-11-06T05:19:44-05:00 List-Id: Martin Krischik writes: > Stephen Leake schrieb: > >> Martin Krischik writes: >> >>> You, I don't like the index, but it is there, widely used >> >> What data do you have to back up the assertion that it is "widely >> used"? > > Google for "TIOBE Programming Community Index" ;-). Ok, so several (many? lots?) of other web sites reference it. To me, "used", in this context, means "employed as a criteria for choosing a language". How many people pick a language for a project based on this web site? >> As a counter point, this is the first I've heard of it. > > You can't be long here at comp.lang.ada - I have an article on it every > 3 to 6 month. Well, I've been here longer than that. I guess my newsgroup memory filter has been ignoring these posts. >>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm >> >> It says: >> >> Observe that the TIOBE index is not about the best programming >> language or the language in which most lines of code have been >> written. >> >> So why should we care? > > Because it also says: > > The index can be used to check whether your programming skills are > still up to date or to make a strategic decision about what > programming language should be adopted when starting to build > a new software system. Well, it may _say_ that, but I don't _believe_ it! The number of websites that satisfy its search criteria does _not_ correlate with my ability to get a job programming in Ada. > And have a look at the Ada bashing on the definition page: > http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/tpci_definition.htm > > This is what you also see in daily practice: Ada is hardly used for > new mission-critical systems any more. > > Emphasis on "new". This is the problem: Right or wrong - they tell the > world which language to use in future. And this is why we should care. I beg to differ; this is why we should educate managers about _real_ reasons to pick languages. -- -- Stephe