From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Point a beginner in the right direction? Cheap bare-board to run with a RTOS for running ADA Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:14:13 +0200 Organization: cbb software GmbH Message-ID: References: <8a3093bb-90b3-4081-9b0b-dfde5aa6b851@googlegroups.com> <993despcuk1d.1ifczvyo501px.dlg@40tude.net> <51da9a80$0$6561$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de NNTP-Posting-Host: IenaDxMXK2hi7fvYcb+MlQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:16154 Date: 2013-07-08T14:14:13+02:00 List-Id: On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 12:54:56 +0200, G.B. wrote: > Non-modern hardware is as cheap as a plastic spoon! That is why it is not available. Fetch me an i486 board. > Price is a convincing argument when the effect of the embedded > system is simple. Not really. In fact embedded boards are far more expensive than consumer's boards. An industrial Atom board has the price of a complete PC with ten times more memory and higher performance. > If Ada vendors wish to loose all but the market for expensive high > end systems, then that's their choice. It is not their choice. It is the board vendors who determine what is in the BSP. No Ada vendor has the resources to port it on every possible board. The picture will change when bare metal vanish. This will inevitably happen with SBCs. An OS will become standard for most SBCs. This in turn will pressure the vendors to make hardware more compatible. Then we will have Ada (and other languages) there. > (1) Ada gets thrown out as soon as there is a sufficient > replacement that's cheaper (C with static analysis, say) Ada already is, in case you didn't notice. And it is not C Ada will have to compete there, but Java, PHP etc. When the gates will open all mud will flood the market... > But then, by the laws of popularity, recruitment and > language choice will steer away (again!) from expensive, bulky > Ada. It is different factors today. I used "bulky" Ada 83 on a 2MB machine. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de