From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38fc011071df5a27 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-30 09:25:00 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!skates!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ideas for Ada 200X Date: 30 May 2003 12:16:26 -0400 Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (skates.gsfc.nasa.gov) Message-ID: References: <6a90b886.0305262344.1d558079@posting.google.com> <3ED41344.7090105@spam.com> <3ED46D81.FF62C34F@0.0> <3ED46E07.4340CABC@0.0> <3ED4F3FD.A0EF7079@alfred-hilscher.de> <1138545.LxB10ZPFul@linux1.krischik.com> <12407013.TRm0SXE9Zq@linux1.krischik.com> <1054301559.667054@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.gsfc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: skates.gsfc.nasa.gov 1054312349 3838 128.183.235.92 (30 May 2003 16:32:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.gsfc.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 May 2003 16:32:29 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:38115 Date: 2003-05-30T16:32:29+00:00 List-Id: Hyman Rosen writes: > Martin Krischik wrote: > > I use far more C++ then Ada in my live and the "++" and "+=" operator is > > somthing I can live without. I := I + 1 expreses my intend just as well. > > Only if you never use iterators other than random access ones. > That means no stream iterators, no maps, no sets, etc. Unless > you think that these operators are just for numbers? You seem to be implying that "foo++" means something other than "foo = foo + 1" in C++. Hmm. Quoting "The C++ Programming Language, Special Edition" by Stroustrup, section 6.2.5: By definition, "++lvalue" means "lvalue += 1", which again means "lvalue = lvalue + 1", provided "lvalue" has no side effects. We've already agreed there is a difference between "I := I + 1" and Inc (I) when "I" has side effects; what other differences are you talking about here? Or is the side effects what you mean? -- -- Stephe