From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,447bd1cf7a88c198 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-10 05:48:39 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.iac.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!195.25.12.36!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: Pascal Obry Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Do we need "Mission-Critical" software? Was: What to Do? Date: 10 Jan 2001 14:39:52 +0100 Organization: Home - http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry Message-ID: References: <3A4F5A4A.9ABA2C4F@chicagonet.net> <3A4F759E.A7D63F3F@netwood.net> <3A50ABDF.3A8F6C0D@acm.org> <92qdnn$jfg$1@news.huji.ac.il> <3A50C371.8B7B871@home.com> <3A51EC04.91353CE7@uol.com.br> <3A529C97.2CA4777F@home.com> <3A53CB9E.EA7CF86C@uol.com.br> <3A5466DE.811D43A5@acm.org> <932aol$ikc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <932mi6$r2k$1@trog.dera.gov.uk> <9343b1$3g5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <934iuf$eqv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <937kc7$ssq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93c0e9$4u6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93e33l$tfu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93ekmo$a14$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93f73f$mt1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93fnao$49u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93fq4o$6j7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93h81i$a7q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-velizy-106-4-248.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 979134212 3226 193.249.123.248 (10 Jan 2001 13:43:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2001 13:43:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3862 Date: 2001-01-10T13:43:32+00:00 List-Id: dmitry6243@my-deja.com writes: > If I knew how to do it! (:-)) Unfortunately all my attempts to convince > our customers no, not to use, just to consider Ada as an opportunity > have failed. To my limited view, the major reason why, is that 90% of > people never heard this word and the rest think that it another name of > Nabokov's Lolita (:-)). I feel your pain. I had the same problem but I have found the solution. In my case (I pretty well understand that this is not the case for everybody - [1]) our customers want a tool (not the code). Before, I was asking if Ada was a possible choice and you know the answer, now I just don't ask (the language is not part of the deal - as I said they want a tool with such and such features) and I just do it in Ada. That's it "Just do It" ! Why did I do that ? Because most of the time nobody ask if the project can be done in C or C++ or Java, rights ? The contract is (again, in my case): - the tool must have such and such features - the tool must have such and such response time - the tool must be around for at least this amount of time - the maintenance is part of the deal (no code is delivered) This is not the case for many projects, but at least it is working fine this way as clients and developers are quite happy :) Pascal. [1] I'm talking about projects in Information System and nothing mission critical or real time... Contraints in this world are far from restrictive, this is the play ground for hackers in the Web technologies and software that does fail (as part of the contract :) So that's not so hard to do better :) -- --|------------------------------------------------------ --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE --|------------------------------------------------------ --| http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry --| --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination"