From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 10ad19,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ad19,public X-Google-Thread: 107a89,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid107a89,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-08 09:58:21 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Earl R Coker" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml Subject: Re: Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:51:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9f8b7b$h0e$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9f8r0i$lu3$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fgagu$6ae$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fjgha$blf$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <35mqhtkdfma2rggv1htcaq6vfn2ihs67a1@4ax.com> <9fli1b$4aa$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Organization: LJK Software <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B204C82.C2681D79@home.com> <9fqla6$n3o$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B20E4FC.7A7762AD@amsjv.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8434 comp.lang.awk:2920 comp.lang.clarion:21469 comp.lang.java.programmer:74835 comp.lang.pl1:925 comp.lang.vrml:3664 Date: 2001-06-08T11:51:34-05:00 List-Id: Hi Philip, IMHO, the answer is YES there is a difference. The best way to cope with this counter productiveness is personal engagement of a thought process which can be described as "personal responsibility using common sense". One could go on and on and on about the many many facets of that too. And... Politicians are really good at it in a very counter-productive way. So they pass "stupid nonsensical" laws and regulations. Watching our local Gummint (Mayor and Aldermen and Alderwomen) "live and in action" on the TV is a real riot. Let me give you a couple of personal examples, the first one from just about an hour or so ago. There is a rental property behind us. A duplex. Some "people" live in it. They have children... some of which are teenagers. The powers that be please help home owners who live next to rental properties in the US. One of the them, a boy about 12-14 (and once in a while a friend of his too) seems to like to take baseball bats, tennis rackets, golf clubs etc... and hit balls, rocks, etc... in the direction of our property then climb over the fence to retrieve the "missiles" and proceed to do it all over again. It "pi--es" me off no end to see the little f---er do that and the urge to do him harm comes up rather strongly. (I begin to use profanity when I REALLY get upset.) But I am using common sense and personal responsibility and not harming the little bastard severely. IF I WANTED TO, (but I don't want to) I could kill him with my bare hands even. Yes... I know there are laws to deal with me if I were to damage the little b---ard but I am NOT relying on those "laws" (e.g. someone else) to "make it all right" by going ahead and doing harm to him or his family in some way and then letting the "law" handle it. Before that, one of the families had a bow and arrow freak living on one side of the duplex. He used to put up a target on a bale of hay in the back yard and proceed to always miss it and much of the time the arrow would end up in our yard. Once in a while he would use a pellet rifle. One day we came home and found an arrow sticking in our house. He seemed to stop after that for some reason. Then, lucky for us, they moved out. -- Regards, Earl R. Coker Buy the System, Gain the Knowledge. Sales and Business Management Systems. www.kwiksystems.com ksa@muscanet.com "Philip Anderson" wrote in message news:3B20E4FC.7A7762AD@amsjv.com... > Marin David Condic wrote: > > > > Well that raises a whole can of worms - how the media, et alia are out > > screaming how we need all kinds of gun safety laws "to protect the children" > > Is there a difference between (1) being over-protective of a responsible > adult, who can be assumed to know the potential dangers in a hammer or > cup of coffee, and (2) protecting 'innocent' users or passers-by, > including children, from dangers they have no control over, such as a > hammer whose head flies off or a psychotic teenager with a gun? > > If a bad programming technique is (mis-)used by a games writer and > causes a PC to crash, where does that fit in? Or if the same mistake is > made in Flight Control Software leading to a plane crash? > > > -- > hwyl/cheers, > Philip Anderson > Alenia Marconi Systems > Cwmbr�n, Cymru/Wales