From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,25d5234e7b6ca361 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-02-27 17:08:11 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!4fcf30b0!not-for-mail From: JXStern Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.java.advocacy Subject: Re: Ada versus language-X and "getting real work done" (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Message-ID: References: <9fa75d42.0302250710.5549baaf@posting.google.com> <3E5C7033.BD5DC462@adaworks.com> <9fa75d42.0302260618.7506cba7@posting.google.com> <3E5CF5C6.84822F57@adaworks.com> <1046299823.547481@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1quq5v0sb922r76rbpmcs2pe19dr4i5a2r@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:08:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.158.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1046394483 4.62.158.126 (Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:08:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:08:03 EST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.object:58569 comp.lang.ada:34700 comp.lang.java.advocacy:59440 Date: 2003-02-28T01:08:03+00:00 List-Id: On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:45:28 +0000 (UTC), Dr Chaos wrote: >Programmers think they are not only all above average, but even the >next superfreakish Johnny von Neumann. > >And so often what should be more informative data----modest scientific >exploration of typical programmer capability versus technologies----is >ignored and studies hardly funded. Well, but let's not blame the programmers, for topics that academics do not study. J.