From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00, HK_RANDOM_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,afb4d45672b1e262 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trnddc01.POSTED!20ae255c!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada From: Justin Gombos Subject: Re: Making money on open source, if not by selling _support_, then how? References: <7NOdne-iYtWmIafZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@megapath.net> <292bf$443bb4e4$45491254$20549@KNOLOGY.NET> <1oc8e78n8ow5e.1mhfktiyo0wur$.dlg@40tude.net> <_pd0g.5775$yQ.1726@trnddc07> <1x8oeb12n9s76$.1msb6vrl8k885$.dlg@40tude.net> <1145192585.9496.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2429o5my9o4z.lue7cfjzu0nd$.dlg@40tude.net> <1145220834.9496.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <101x2dbllolx8.v6gtakpoa0q4.dlg@40tude.net> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (Linux) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:38:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.44.77.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trnddc01 1145479129 129.44.77.228 (Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:38:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:38:49 EDT Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3870 Date: 2006-04-19T20:38:49+00:00 List-Id: On 2006-04-17, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > >> And you think that you attract the best programmers by offering >> high wages? That, together with meritocracy, has been shown to be a >> myth. Job satisfaction is not guaranteed by just income. > > That might be true, but you should explain why low or no wages would > function better. You've misinterpretted Bauhaus. Saying that high wages does not necessarily attract the best talent is quite a bit different than saying "low or no wages would function better". I must start by pointing out that this argument amounts to a strawman (because it misrepresents Bauhaus' position), and it also contains a bipolar logical fallacy (wages are not simply "high" or "low/nothing", at least in developed nations). Great talent includes passion for the discipline, and appealing to such passion requires intrinsic motivators. Significant extrinsic motivation is more attractive to professionals who lack the passion - and is in fact an essential component to this profile of creator. To illustrate this, consider Jet Propulsion Laboratory. JPL acquires the top talent in aerospace, yet the pay is substandard. JPL engineers are capable of substantially higher income elsewhere, yet JPL has a very low turnover. So you have to ask, why aren't the engineers leaving - the answer: because the intrinsic rewards are high. JPL has figured out how to attract top talent, and keep their interest, essentially by making the work environment more academic than what's typical. The management style of creating a heavily micromanaged set of process rules and simply paying employees high enough wages to ensure compliance is the opposit extreme, and it's becoming obsolete precisely because top talent is deterred from that model knowing that workplaces like JPL exist. That's the short answer. The long answer can be found in: "Intrinsic Motivation at Work: Building Energy and Commitment" by Kenneth Thomas. >> What are the software quality improvements to be derived >> from differentiation by income? (Which I have nothing to say >> against.) If you starve, you can't be productive, o.K.. >> But other than that, job satisfaction is not just money. > > Money is a part of satisfaction. In our "capitalistic" society > everything is translated into money. I didn't even used this word, I > talked about rewarding. Anyway, if you can propose a better social > system, which would function, count me in. But in any system a > contribution must be rewarded. Use money, natural products, houri, > whatever attracts people. Under a capitalist system, you first have to accept the fact that you only have to outperform the best competitor. If you're rewarding employees with an order of magnitude more pay (which according to you would get the best programmers), and you are also offering high intrinsic rewards, then you're a poor business person, because you're not maximizing profit - in which case you'll be replaced by someone who does maximize profit. It's a balance that you can't escape from. Under this system companies that have substantial intrinsic motivators will pay lower wages, because they can. And they will still retain top talent. -- PM instructions: do a C4esar Ciph3r on my address; retain punctuation.