From: "Luke A. Guest" <laguest@archeia.com>
Subject: Re: Carbon
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 09:10:10 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <tbqs0t$104n$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: f88660da-350c-40df-ac70-a644e6f30661n@googlegroups.com
On 26/07/2022 18:31, John McCabe wrote:
> Certainly not the approach to making life easier and less error-prone for developers.
Quel surprise!
> I've got involved in a couple of discussions on their forum, and I'm inclined to think they just want C++ but taken out of the control of ISO/IEC WGs steering committees.
>
> They're pretty much not considering changing any of the aspects of C++ that make it such a heap of junk (IMO, of course), including, but not limited to:
Doesn't surprise me, they never do. Every "I've built a new language to
replace C or C++ and it's better" implement things the exact same way
every time.
> 1. arrays
> 2. enums
> 3. (both of the above when used together :-))
> 4. symbols - overuse, duplication, inconsistency
> 5. implicit stuff
> 6. pretend strong typing
> 7. forcing developers to deal manually with numeric values that don't fit into an n-byte range, where n is a whole number
>
> It really is shockingly soul-destroying watching all that. What's worse is that, from what I've seen over the years, the new languages that have been developed in a more 'relaxed' way than Ada (well, evolved, really, like Java, Python etc) and have become relatively successful have taken a good 10 years or so to get to that point, yet the discussions on the Carbon forum are all about how to appeal to _current_ developers who're used to C++; not _future_ developers who, ideally, would _never_ be used to C++!
>
It's depressing dealing with cretin's who all think they're geniuses and
think that their new idea is so radically different, but is just the
same old crap wrapped up in a functional style.
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2022-07-22 21:13 Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-23 9:09 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-23 13:14 ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-07-23 13:49 ` Carbon Stéphane Rivière
2022-07-24 9:09 ` Carbon Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-07-24 9:22 ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-07-24 9:38 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-26 17:31 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 8:10 ` Luke A. Guest [this message]
2022-07-27 17:24 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 20:00 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-28 23:48 ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-07-29 4:34 ` Carbon Devin Rozsas
2022-07-29 11:03 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-29 19:05 ` Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-30 9:16 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-30 8:11 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-07-29 18:59 ` Carbon Gautier write-only address
2022-07-30 4:26 ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-07-30 9:21 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-30 1:40 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-07-30 4:23 ` Carbon Nasser M. Abbasi
2022-08-06 14:18 ` Carbon dennis knorr
2022-08-06 17:48 ` Carbon A.J.
2022-08-07 9:08 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-08-08 21:38 ` Carbon dennis knorr
2022-08-08 22:28 ` Carbon Dmitry A. Kazakov
2022-08-09 4:12 ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-09 6:05 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-09 7:22 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-10 1:19 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-10 6:20 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-10 17:58 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-10 18:10 ` Carbon Dennis Lee Bieber
2022-08-10 8:24 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-08-10 17:59 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-18 1:02 ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-27 9:49 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 20:39 ` Carbon Simon Wright
2022-07-27 23:30 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-25 9:14 ` Carbon Fabien Chouteau
2022-08-25 17:55 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-26 18:59 ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-26 20:23 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 20:59 ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-26 21:40 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 22:18 ` Carbon Olivier Henley
2022-08-27 0:06 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-28 0:30 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 1:32 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-28 8:57 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 17:34 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-09-01 6:46 ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-02 14:18 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-09-02 14:59 ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-02 17:55 ` Carbon Niklas Holsti
2022-09-02 18:45 ` Carbon J-P. Rosen
2022-09-03 0:23 ` Carbon Randy Brukardt
2022-08-28 20:43 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-29 8:57 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 0:14 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-28 17:39 ` Carbon G.B.
2022-08-28 18:24 ` Carbon Paul Rubin
2022-08-26 23:21 ` Carbon Jeffrey R.Carter
2022-08-27 11:27 ` Carbon Rod Kay
2022-08-27 15:20 ` Carbon John Perry
2022-08-27 23:47 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-08-27 23:39 ` Carbon John McCabe
2022-07-27 8:45 ` Carbon Luke A. Guest
2022-07-27 13:16 ` Carbon Patrick Georgi
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