From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,bc1361a952ec75ca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-17 13:12:09 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: kaz@ashi.footprints.net (Kaz Kylheku) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: How Ada could have prevented the Red Code distributed denial of service attack. References: <3b690498.1111845720@news.worldonline.nl> <9kbu15$9bj@augusta.math.psu.edu> <9kbvsr$a02@augusta.math.psu.edu> <3B69DB35.4412459E@home.com> <9kp9n7$ivm$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B73337F.862F8D93@home.com> <9lb7hu$72h$1@norfair.nerim.net> <3B7C6977.3648F061@home.com> <3B7CE3E1.6F80@mindspring.com> Organization: Psycho-Neurotic Institute for the Very, Very Nervous Reply-To: kaz@ashi.footprints.net User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.3 (Linux) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:12:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.85.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.bc.home.com 998079129 24.68.85.82 (Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:12:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:12:09 PDT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12073 comp.lang.c:75096 comp.lang.c++:83517 Date: 2001-08-17T20:12:09+00:00 List-Id: In article <3B7CE3E1.6F80@mindspring.com>, pete wrote: >Kaz Kylheku wrote: >> You simply have a narrow, weak idea of what constitutes a language. > >"The standard library is not part of the C language proper, ``C language proper'' != ``C language''. Nice try! >but an environment that supports standard C will provide >the function declarations and type and macro definitions >of this library." > >K&R2 appendix B Written by people with a clue. And also note that the standard C library did originate as a separate project: a user space library for general programming on UNIX. Much of that library was standardized by a group of people called /usr/group. Their definition was split into parts that went into C and that went into POSIX. So *historically*, it was true that the library was a separate entity. It was codified into the language.