From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,db9a11afb3da4240 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 102b75,501ec19d1d81daee X-Google-Attributes: gid102b75,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-03 19:35:34 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!feed-ev1!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!66.185.86.143.MISMATCH!news03.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com!news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com.POSTED!12dc6cf53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Mark Bottomley" Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.lang.ada References: <3CA0A166.501E1D68@despammed.com> Subject: Re: Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 03:34:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.43.220.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rogers.com X-Trace: news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com 1017891289 24.43.220.120 (Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:34:49 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:34:49 EST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.arch:26373 comp.lang.ada:22075 Date: 2002-04-04T03:34:49+00:00 List-Id: I would be interested to know if you ever used Rational's Ada development environments? My experience is that even the earlier environments on their (admittedly expensive) custom hardware (the R1000's) provided syntax completion, change impact analysis, full incremental compilation, and fine grained integral revision control that I have yet to see equalled. Using one of these in a serious development environment where the customer (the military) is more concerned about tracability and all the nice things in doing rigorous development made it a pleasure to use. This cadillac environment was still a fraction of a programmer's annual salary, but it was typically targetted to embedded systems, not desktops. I still think the greatest thing about Ada is that a compiling program is likely to run, where a compiling C++ program is just starting out. Mark... "Marin David Condic" wrote in message news:a8f3tr$hu1$1@nh.pace.co.uk... > No need to get insulting. Just consider this point: MSVC++ has considerably > more features and integration than just about anything I've seen that comes > out of a box for Ada. While you can get many of the same capabilities out of > a polyglot of tools that you have to pull together from a variety of > sources, there isn't something of similar capability for Ada. You may not > like the way MSVC++ does a variety of things and you may have preferences > for other toolsets (of which I'm always happy to hear) but I don't think > that changes the fact that MSVC++ provides navigation, GUI building, class > libraries, debugging, building, etc., all together in one convenient package > and I don't see a similar shrink-wrap kit available for Ada. If Ada got *at > least* as far as MSVC++ it would have achieved something pretty cool. > > Metrowerks and Code Warrior might make interesting models for deriving a set > of requirements for an Ada IDE. I'd have to look at them in more detail to > see what they do that would be A Good Thing. The idea should be to identify > a set of capabilities & features that folks tend to find useful in other > IDEs and adapt that to an Ada environment. It never hurts to add new > capabilities and features along the way so that an Ada IDE would have *more* > to offer than the other available tools. > > MDC > -- > Marin David Condic > Senior Software Engineer > Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com > Enabling the digital revolution > e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com > > > "Maynard Handley" wrote in message > news:name99-0204021351390001@handma2.apple.com... > > > > (1) Anyone who thinks Dev Studio is a nice IDE clearly doesn't have very > > high standards. Dev Studio is a piece of junk. To give some obvious > > examples: > > >