From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: border1.nntp.dca3.giganews.com!backlog3.nntp.dca3.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Natasha Kerensikova Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada platforms and pricing, was: Re: a new language, designed for safety ! Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <1402308235.2520.153.camel@pascal.home.net> <85ioo9yukk.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <255b51cd-b23f-4413-805a-9fea3c70d8b2@googlegroups.com> <5ebe316d-cd84-40fb-a983-9f953f205fef@googlegroups.com> <2100734262424129975.133931laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <857442918424729589.090275laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="76a49b86bc3e16725b7cfca3d85cb4c8"; logging-data="29978"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18cJrvfURY4mmcNPFiun3gI" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JAbTcNwYa2xCzzP1VmM1Tn1BxWs= X-Original-Bytes: 3267 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:187042 Date: 2014-06-18T07:09:13+00:00 List-Id: On 2014-06-17, Luke A Guest wrote: > You have nailed it completely. I think we are the only people in this group > who seem to grasp this concept. For what it's worth, I too am completely with you in that. And has been already pointed out (IIRC by Jacob Sparre Andersen), the "2% argument" doesn't really counter that, since compiler avilability probably drives away a significant part of those 2%ters. Myself, for example. I'm here only because a few years ago, sheer luck made me stumble upon wikipedia page for Steelman requirements, and because GNAT-AUX made Ada available freely on my platform of choice (FreeBSD/intel, which I believe to be a comparatively easy target). How many of these 2%ers never heard of Ada and instead stick to C with -Wall -Wextra -Weven-more -Werror -pedantic -fblow-a-huge-horn-on-anything-suspicious ? How many of them give Ada a go, only to drop it when they realize they can't compile anything for their target platform? Anyway, I'm willing to contribute a lot of my free time to help a new free Ada compiler emerge, ideally a LLVM front-end written from scratch in Ada, bootstrapped by FSF GNAT, licenced under BSD or Apache or something like that. I know that way lies madness, but every time I post here it makes me feel like a complete lunatic on the killfile of most regular posters here, so I guess I don't have much to lose. However with only "a lot of my free time" it would still take decades to make a usable Ada95 LLVM front-end, and I don't really have the people skills to rally enough people to given a decent chance of success to such a massive project. So I guess nothing more than big talk would happen . Natasha