From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 108717,a7c8692cac750b5e X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid115aec,gidf43e6,gid108717,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!feeder.enertel.nl!nntpfeed-01.ops.asmr-01.energis-idc.net!newsfeeder.wxs.nl!surfnet.nl!news.tue.nl!not-for-mail From: Willem Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng,comp.programming Subject: Re: 10 rules for benchmarking (was Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada)) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Message-ID: References: <4229bad9$0$1019$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <1110032222.447846.167060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <3SjWd.103128$Vf.3969241@news000.worldonline.dk> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <1110052142.832650@athnrd02> <1110284070.410136.205090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <395uqaF5rhu2mU1@individual.net> <112rs0bdr2aftdf@corp.supernews.com> <1inxxr988rxgg$.1w9dedak41k89.dlg@40tude.net> <112s1r0rf0o8nca@corp.supernews.com> <112sonip5v4dca6@corp.supernews.com> <112t3de6fu04f38@corp.supernews.com> <1110396477.596174.285520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <112vb2t8eonuhed@corp.supernews.com> <1110422108.925127.54110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11329cb96h2p19f@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: toad.stack.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.tue.nl 1110565992 8556 131.155.140.135 (11 Mar 2005 18:33:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tue.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:33:12 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (FreeBSD) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9152 comp.realtime:1291 comp.software-eng:4859 comp.programming:17820 Date: 2005-03-11T18:33:12+00:00 List-Id: Jean-Pierre wrote: ) Willem a �crit : )> Jean-Pierre wrote: )> ) You are absolutely right, but there is one thing that this benchmark )> ) *proves*: )> ) )> ) Blindly claiming that C is faster than Ada is not supported by hard figures. )> )> Given that the only ADA code I saw in this thread was a linear search, )> which could easily have been a binary one, there's no way you can back up )> that claim. )> ) Did you read my (carfully phrased) sentence? I am just claiming that ) *some* tests have exhibited comparable behaviour, and therefore that you ) cannot claim *blindly* that C is faster. If you want to support that ) position, you need to provide strong, measured, evidence. In that case your sentence makes no sense, because you are saying that 'claiming blindly' means 'claiming without strong, measured, evidence'. 'hard figures' are 'strong, measured evidence', so therefore your sentence can be rephrased as follows: Claiming that C is faster than Ada without strong measured evidence is not supported by strong measured evidence. Which, as I said before, makes no sense. It's a tautology at best. SaSW, Willem -- Disclaimer: I am in no way responsible for any of the statements made in the above text. For all I know I might be drugged or something.. No I'm not paranoid. You all think I'm paranoid, don't you ! #EOT