From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38159b1b5557a2e7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-01-19 05:37:40 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1.e.nsc.no!nsc.no!nextra.com!uio.no!ntnu.no!not-for-mail From: Preben Randhol Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: why ada is so unpopular ? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PVV Message-ID: References: <49cbf610.0401170627.79c3dfe5@posting.google.com> <400A9B48.3060100@noplace.com> <400BD4B5.6000307@noplace.com> <400BDB7C.40100@noplace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: k-083152.nt.ntnu.no X-Trace: tyfon.itea.ntnu.no 1074519460 26937 129.241.83.152 (19 Jan 2004 13:37:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@itea.ntnu.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:37:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (Linux) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:4554 Date: 2004-01-19T13:37:40+00:00 List-Id: On 2004-01-19, Marin David Condic wrote: > Java's GUI may or may not be butt-ugly. But one thing it is: It's > _Java's_ GUI and as it evolves, Java users pretty much get full access > to whatever new features are added without having to wait for some > binding to catch up. Well, who would be in charge of an Ada GUI and develop it actively and not every 10-15 years ? > Portability would be one thing, but not the only thing. "Product > Distinction" would be another: An Ada GUI could go its own way and do > things "The Ada Way" from the programmer's perspective and might even > provide a unique "Look & Feel" to Ada apps. (People might then actually > *care* that their apps were done with Ada, eh?) Sure, but there are other things that the GUI to show that. My problem is that there are X GUIs and Y OSes out there already. > I've tinkered with GtkAda and - while it is a good and useful thing - > I can observe that there seem to be some features that Gtk has (under > Gnome?) that are simply not available through GtkAda. One might want > to use those features - but its either roll your own, wait for GtkAda > to catch up or go use C/C++ like the entire rest of the world does. > What do you suppose most programmers do? (Hint: Look at the relative > popularity of C/C++ to that of Ada.) Well if you look at the timespan for developing Gtk you'll see it isn't a trivial task. Making a binding is, however, much more trivial. > This is always the problem that Ada has with bindings, etc. It's > playing the "Me Too!!!!" catch-up game. The best you can hope for then > is to come in second-place. That's why Ada ought to be developing a > library of its own to supply a GUI and the other things that seem to > come along for the ride with C++ or Java. Yes I agree. But I want a container library +++ first. -- "Saving keystrokes is the job of the text editor, not the programming language."