From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,27e56580ae0c3b7d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-07-23 03:00:01 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!uninett.no!ntnu.no!not-for-mail From: Preben Randhol Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GNAT for Debian Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Norwegian university of science and technology Message-ID: References: <404ee0af.0307211056.15324da@posting.google.com> <20030722021229.15da08ae.david@realityrift.com> <20030722135518.32888aaa.david@realityrift.com> <20030722165245.15f880a2.david@realityrift.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no X-Trace: tyfon.itea.ntnu.no 1058954400 4766 129.241.83.78 (23 Jul 2003 10:00:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@itea.ntnu.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:00:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:40686 Date: 2003-07-23T10:00:00+00:00 List-Id: David Holm wrote: > But ACT's CVS is updated about every other day, often with changes > made to the gcc patch (the ada code is separate from the gcc > code-changes). There are also some alarming threads on the gcc > mailinglist where it's made obvious that people (including gcc > maintainers) aren't very interested in Ada. This is one such thread: > http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2000-10/msg00003.html I don't agree with you on that. I didn't have time to read the whole thread but after the first dusine posts I didn't get that impression. > I recon their consider it just another adition to their list of > support languages and don't care much more. Personally I use Ada > because I know what it can do to an applications stability, therefore > I also want it to be maintained by someone who respects that, namely > ACT, not GNU. It is not GNU that does the development of the Ada part it is ACT. > If you are interested in the real version of gnat based on gcc3 the > cvs is here: >:pserver:anoncvs@libre.act-europe.fr:/anoncvs (module gnat) Interesting. > The fact debian chose to use gcc-3.3 (from gnu) over building a > snapshot from the cvs shows that their ada maintainer is not overly > interested in Ada (any more?). No it is just that Samuel (thanks for the work by the way!) stopped making debian packages after Gnat 3.14p. I guess we could build a gnat-3.15p, but personally I do not have the time (and I have to learn to build debian packages as well) at the moment. Hopefully later this fall. > I switched from FreeBSD where the Ada maintainer is very strict when > it comes to what to add and not to add regarding ada-stuff. I was > expecting something similar from Debian since that is the way I found > debian to be a few years ago (before I knew Ada). I guess it's > problematic to find good maintainers these days though, especially > when it comes to Ada. It's not exactly popular (at least in my > school), apart from one or two of the doctoral students I seem to be > the only one using it. Most distributions make gnat compilers from the gcc 3.x brance. So a lot of problems would go away if this could come up to speed with ACTs CVS. At the moment we are in a limbo between 3.15p and some stable gnat in the future. The problem is that a buggy gnat won't make more people interested in developing in Ada. > True, it is not for you then maybe. Perhaps you should take over the > position as Ada maintainer in Debian or find someone else motivated to > do it. The current maintainer didn't seem motivated to me. If others would help it would be nice. I guess one had to consult Debian, but making a gnat-3.15p and then gnat-X-act-cvs versions until gcc-3 is stable wouldn't be preferable. I agree on this. However I guess it would be nice to know also what the roadmap for gcc-3 and ACT are in this respect. -- Ada95 is good for you. http://www.crystalcode.com/codemage/MainMenu/Coding/Ada/IntroducingAda.php