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From: Lutz Donnerhacke <lutz@iks-jena.de>
Subject: Re: The old "Object.Method" syntax debate
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:41:35 +0000 (UTC)
Date: 2003-05-30T10:41:35+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrnbdedau.nq.lutz@taranis.iks-jena.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bb4j2e$5juvr$3@ID-77047.news.dfncis.de

* Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> Lutz Donnerhacke wrote:
>>   procedure method(a : in out object; ...);
>>   for object'method use method;
> 
> Or better
> 
> object'method renames method;

I do not like to introduce just another syntax for attribute definitions.

>> Problem 1: Pointer of component => Pointer to aggregate
> 
> Solved with MI = Class-wide pointer -> Dispatch

I do not have tagged data types. Due to hardware design requirements I can
not have tagged data types.

>> Problem 2: Defining Byte_Order of record representations
>
> I didn'tunderstand this. Why Value := Low + High * 256 is unsufficient. I
> never had problems in passing integers over sockets. But I admit, I know no
> solution for an efficient dealing with floats (in binary format).

A portable program using record representation clauses is not possible to
write in Ada95 (besides you restrict yourself to boolean components only).
If you like to show me something other, please consider a 6bit bytesize and
36bit wordsize processor ...

The portable solution for complex data types is writing distinct parsing and
constructing routines. This is inefficient and can not applied to memory
mapped data. I do not accept this limitation of Ada95.

>> Problem 3: Static expressions of discriminants in record representations
>
> Yes it is a pain. But the major problem as I see it is breaking separation
> of implementation and interface by discriminants.

I do not see any seperation by declarative programming.

> Clearly there has to be public and private (implementational)
> discriminants.

No. An external (memory mapped) data structure has only public components.
Representation issues does no deal with private and public differences either.

> With true constructors this could be solved.

Initialisation routines exists and do not solve the problem. Constructor
routines do not solve the memory mapping either. So what?




  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-30 10:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-21 15:26 The old "Object.Method" syntax debate Marc A. Criley
2003-05-21 15:47 ` David C. Hoos
2003-05-21 16:21   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2003-05-21 16:34     ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-21 16:43       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-21 17:13         ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-21 17:13         ` David C. Hoos
2003-05-21 18:21           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-21 19:43             ` David C. Hoos
2003-05-21 20:36               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22  3:24                 ` David C. Hoos
2003-05-22  2:31             ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-05-21 18:32           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22  9:41       ` Xavier Nicollin
2003-05-22 14:56         ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-22 16:02           ` Xavier Nicollin
2003-05-23  2:56         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-05-21 16:50     ` David C. Hoos
2003-05-21 16:36   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-21 16:55     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-05-21 18:03       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-21 18:17         ` David C. Hoos
2003-05-21 18:22           ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-21 20:53             ` tmoran
2003-05-22  2:11               ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22  4:04                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-05-22  7:34         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2003-05-23  0:35         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-21 17:02   ` David C. Hoos
2003-05-21 17:55   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-21 19:54   ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-05-21 20:37     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-22 14:32   ` Rodrigo Garcia
2003-05-22 15:39     ` David C. Hoos
2003-05-23  7:49       ` Rodrigo Garcia
2003-05-23  8:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-23 18:35           ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-05-25  5:38             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-05-25  9:13               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-27  9:50                 ` John McCabe
2003-05-27 16:02                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-05-28  8:24                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28 12:36                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-28 13:14                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-28 15:01                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-29  9:17                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-30 10:41                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke [this message]
2003-05-30 20:13                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-02  9:11                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-05-31  9:29                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-05-28  3:02               ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-05-28  8:07                 ` John McCabe
2003-05-29  0:55                   ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-05-22 17:03     ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-23 14:43   ` Steve
2003-05-23 14:51     ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-23 15:21     ` John McCabe
2003-05-23 23:43     ` Robert A Duff
2003-05-25  5:42     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-05-25 14:40       ` Steve
2003-05-25 21:21         ` Gautier Write-only
2003-05-23  7:58 ` John McCabe
2003-05-23  8:39   ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-23 15:12     ` John McCabe
2003-05-23 15:18       ` Preben Randhol
2003-05-23 17:32     ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-27  9:09       ` John McCabe
2003-05-28 11:47       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-28 16:14         ` Stephen Leake
2003-05-28 18:23           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-05-23 20:45 ` steve_H
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-23 17:39 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-05-23 17:59 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-05-27  9:17 ` John McCabe
2003-06-03 17:23 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-06-04  8:27 ` John McCabe
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