From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-12 20:21:20 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!enews.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.ucsd.edu!not-for-mail From: Dr Chaos Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Followup-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Univ of Calif San Diego Message-ID: References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0304240446.493ca906@posting.google.com> <3EA7E0E3.8020407@crs4.it> <9fa75d42.0304240950.45114a39@posting.google.com> <4a885870.0304291909.300765f@posting.google.com> <416273D61ACF7FEF.82C1D1AC17296926.FF0BFD4934A03813@lp.airnews.net> <9fa75d42.0305010621.55e99deb@posting.google.com> <0-WcnWfafqsNpiyjXTWcqw@gbronline.com> <1051804573.732603@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3EBE9BD4.1050008@attbi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lyapunov.ucsd.edu X-Trace: news1.ucsd.edu 1052796077 16248 132.239.222.85 (13 May 2003 03:21:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news1.ucsd.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:21:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:63622 comp.object:63273 comp.lang.ada:37262 Date: 2003-05-13T03:21:17+00:00 List-Id: On Sun, 11 May 2003 18:52:05 GMT, Robert I. Eachus wrote: > Wesley Groleau wrote: >> >>> I don't know where this notion arose that a "super-strong" >>> type system is just for preventing bugs. I know that in C++ >> >> >> I didn't say that it was only for preventing bugs. >> I said it's a crock that it requires programmers >> to do a lot of allegedly unnecessary workarounds. >> >> For me, preventing bugs is the second biggest benefit >> of Ada's type system. The bigger one is that it >> allows you to define things in terms of your >> abstraction instead of your implementation. > > I think my first deep insight into the implications of Ada programming > came in 1983, just after Ada 83 became an ANSI standard. I told someone > working on our (Ada) compiler: "No, in Ada you model the problem space, > not the solution space." I then excused myself for a minute to write it > on my office whiteboard. That's nice, but I can model an eigenvalue problem space just fine. Doesn't do squat to finding a numerically stable algorithmic solver.