From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 11232c,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-02 21:07:51 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.ucsd.edu!not-for-mail From: Dr Chaos Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada,misc.misc Subject: Re: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Followup-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 04:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Univ of Calif San Diego Message-ID: References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305010621.55e99deb@posting.google.com> <254c16a.0305011035.13133e8d@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305011727.5eae0222@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305020516.bdba239@posting.google.com> <82347202.0305021418.4719da45@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lyapunov.ucsd.edu X-Trace: news1.ucsd.edu 1051934869 4730 132.239.222.85 (3 May 2003 04:07:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news1.ucsd.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 04:07:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:63077 comp.object:62618 comp.lang.ada:36897 misc.misc:13920 Date: 2003-05-03T04:07:49+00:00 List-Id: Jim Rogers wrote: > > How do you determine the success or failure of a language? A) how many people use it and for what magnitude of tasks, and B) how influential its design and ideas were intellectually, and how many other languages were influenced by it and how many times it itself gets revised with new ideas > Did Cobol succeed or fail? succeed / fail > Did Fortran succeed or fail? succeed / succeed > Did Bourne Shell succeed or fail? succeed / fail > How about Common Lisp, smalltalk, or eiffel? fail/succeed partial succeed/partial succeed fail/partial succeed