From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-21 14:28:14 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news.cc.tut.fi!news.helsinki.fi!harri.haataja From: harri.haataja@cs.helsinki.fi (Harri J Haataja) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Future with Ada Date: 21 Jan 2002 22:28:11 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Message-ID: References: <9vnrj9$8me$1@nh.pace.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pormestarinhepo.cs.helsinki.fi X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 1011652091 5265 128.214.48.200 (21 Jan 2002 22:28:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jan 2002 22:28:11 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.4 (Linux) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:19153 Date: 2002-01-21T22:28:11+00:00 List-Id: Michal Nowak wrote: >On 01-12-18 at 11:41 Marin David Condic wrote: > >>Many individual programmers are reluctant to learn or use Ada because they >>don't see a job future in it. They see thousands of ads for jobs using >>other >>languages and few ads for Ada positions. If they saw more companies using >>Ada, they might be encouraged to want to earn a living that way. > >There are beginners, who would like to write in Ada. There are posts to >the group like "I'm new to Ada, I found it great, I want to learn more". >Maybe the point is in convincing the managers to Ada. The experience >must come from somewhere. From little projects. So if it comes from >somehere it means that there must be employement for inexperienced >programmers. So if there comes to hire inexperienced programmer, why I believe there would be a way to sneak into somewhere and if not, at least get a larger bulk of programmers by providing a better way for "hobbyists" to get in. As a complete newbie, I can say that after Lovelace, there's not much to go to. There's a huge step before you can start getting something useful done. Contrasting perl, you can get going with a commandline (mostly replacing sed and awk) and then a few lines etc. Extremely well aimed and useful single programs. It's an easy language to get into, though it's not a clean language. Stull you see it used for pretty big things because most other languages are a major pain. Also going GUI or especially DBI is amazingly easy and above all, there's simple tutorials *that get something done* and you can expand from that. To avoid a DSW or holy war, let me say perl was an example only because it has an extremely even and low curve; results often reflect this, though. That's just a personal view I've gotten (or a slice of, anyway). -- If xawtv dumps core, you can fix this with "ulimit -c 0".