From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,23202754c9ce78dd X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-12 07:58:52 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!uio.no!ntnu.no!not-for-mail From: Preben Randhol Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Norwegian university of science and technology Message-ID: References: <%njZ7.279$iR.150960@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> <3c36fbc5_10@news.newsgroups.com> <4idg3u40ermnp682n6igc5gudp7hajkea9@4ax.com> <76be8851.0201101909.9db0718@posting.google.com> <9jtu3u8cq92b05j47uat3412tok6hqu1ki@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no X-Trace: tyfon.itea.ntnu.no 1010851131 23637 129.241.83.82 (12 Jan 2002 15:58:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@itea.ntnu.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.3 (Linux) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:24115 comp.lang.ada:18823 comp.lang.eiffel:5372 comp.lang.smalltalk:17820 Date: 2002-01-12T15:58:51+00:00 List-Id: On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:46:36 +1100, israel r t wrote: > Yet, if Kent is right, they may have all been " rejected ... for > substantial reasons and not just superficial ones." This implies that the marked is rational and logical. It has shown time and time again that it isn't. The marked won't choose a superior technical solution over an inferior yet better marketed or seemingly cheaper solution. Capitalisme will need to adjust itself in the near future from the short-term gain view to a long-term view. This includes taking into account security and maintainability over time. In all sectors we see that the drive to cut costs leads to problems with the security; secure food, transport, utilities, software etc... There now seems to come articles that looks at the cost of software bugs for bussinesses. It is just as frustrating every time I hear about some company that makes some kind of "secure" solution and when you ask them what language they use they say C or C++. When one then ask them why they use such an unsafe language they start arguing not that C/C++ is safe, they mostly agree that it isn't, but out of economical concerns or that they need people that can program and people know C/C++. Preben -- () Join the worldwide campaign to protect fundamental human rights. '||} {||' http://www.amnesty.org/