From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7d14d8f47ca035bf X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-04-11 06:32:17 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!newsfeed.esat.net!news.heanet.ie!Colin_Paul_Gloster From: Colin_Paul_Gloster@ACM.org (Colin Paul Gloster) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada Generic vs. C++ Templates Date: 11 Apr 2001 14:33:09 GMT Organization: Dublin City University Message-ID: References: <3AC8E799.189EE51C@bigfoot.com> <3ACA4A12.9FC665D5@bigfoot.com> <3ACBBE65.D65BB767@worldnet.att.net> <3ACD1045.E9ECB65F@worldnet.att.net> <3ad3d0a0$0$15025$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: Colin_Paul_Gloster@ACM.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.dcu.ie X-Trace: kenraki.heanet.ie 986999589 30769 136.206.1.3 (11 Apr 2001 14:33:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@kenraki.heanet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Apr 2001 14:33:09 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.3 (UNIX) Cache-Post-Path: ns.dcu.ie!unknown@tolka.dcu.ie X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:6756 Date: 2001-04-11T14:33:09+00:00 List-Id: In article <3ad3d0a0$0$15025$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Stephen Howe wrote: "> Watcom having gone bust before the Standard came to be. Not so. See www.openwatcom.org Stephen Howe" Okay, point taken that the company Sybase did not go bust but the Open Sourced Watcom C/C++ is pre-Standard I strongly suspected and have confirmed. It has not reached nor surpassed version number twelve (it is on eleven (disregarding minor version portion c) and it was on ten or eleven (again ommitting minor version distinguishers) when it was Open Sourced. Version 10/11 was supplied with books and hardcopy documentation if the customer paid extra: if memory serves correctly the edition of "The C++ Programming Language" in the pack is the second (i.e. quasi-ARM, the basis for interim drafts) yet the current editions are the third and special ones. On slide 14 (page 8) of http://www.openwatcom.org/reference.html --> Watcom C/C++ Getting Started (i.e. ftp://ftp.openwatcom.org/creadme.pdf ) (dated 14th November 2000) the two suggested C++ books are dated 1991 and 1994. Before looking at its newsgroup archives for the past month (failed to summon the email archives properly) it appeared to me that the Open Watcom effort at present seems more concerned with removing intellectual property than evolving the tools to Standard C++. Looking at some posts for the past month partially removed that suspicion but Stephen Howe in a small thread you yourself took part in Kendall Bennett said "the Open Watcom 1.0 compiler will essentially be the Open Source version of the 11.0c compiler. We don't plan to make any sweeping changes to the compiler until it is released in an Open Source format. Once Open Watcom 1.0 is out, we certainly hope that people will actively work on improving the compiler to be ANSI C++ compliant." As Stephen Howe pointed out in his post Watcom C/C++ is not a Standard C++ compiler and at least for the present is not intended to be a contender: "Eugene Gavrilov wrote in message news:3aae68eb@news.scitechsoft.com... > Will the OpenWatcom 1.0 be a C++ Stroustrup's 3rd edition compiler? Unlikely. It does what you mention but not fully (no default template parameters, no member templates, no partial specialisation, no std:: namespace). The brief by the OpenWatcom team from Sybase is to get the project viable first. I should imagine that there are areas where we will try and get OpenWatcom closer to ISO C++. Stephen Howe [TeamSybase]".