From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT,REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: fac41,f66d11aeda114c52 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,f66d11aeda114c52 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: schlegel@Informatik.Uni-Rostock.de (Juergen Schlegelmilch) Subject: Re: Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!) Date: 1997/08/07 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 262725090 References: <33E503B3.3278@flash.net> <33E8FC54.41C67EA6@eiffel.com> Organization: University of Rostock, Germany Reply-To: schlegel@Informatik.Uni-Rostock.de Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel Date: 1997-08-07T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: On Wed, 06 Aug 1997, Bertrand Meyer wrote: >I am "willing to guess" anything but guesses are not very >enlightening. More to the point, however, you may want to read >the article by Alan Radding in Software Magazine (not IEEE >Software), July 1997, pages 51-54. It is entitled >"Tool Immaturity Tempers Java" and begins: "With the pack of >vendors offering Java-based development tools and developers >clamoring for them, you'd think everyone have Java projects >underway. They don't. The lack of mature tools and standards >is keeping most companies in exploration mode." The article >quotes Judith Hurwitz from the Hurwitz Group as "counsel[ing] >developers not to expect a robust, industrial-strength Java >development environment for about three years". It adds >"In addition, Java compilers are slow", quoting Mitch Kramer, >a senior analyst with Patricia Seybold Group. Jeffry Borror, >director of information technology at Daiwa Securities America >is quoted as saying "Java hasn't stabilized as a language, and >the tools still lack many features". Etc. If you have a look at Eiffel, the situation is similar: Today we see the third version of the language, and there are still subtle points under discussion in this group. Also, it took Eiffel vendors about 10 years to offer mature tool support, and the compilers are still not the fastest (although much improved). So, don't disqualify a language because it is young. J�rgen Schlegelmilch -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Dipl.-Inf. Juergen Schlegelmilch University of Rostock email: schlegel@Informatik.Uni-Rostock.de Computer Science Department http://www.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~schlegel Database Research Group Tel: ++49 381 498 3402 18051 Rostock Fax: ++49 381 498 3426 Germany +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+