From: harry@matilda.alt.net.au (Harry Protoolis)
Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ?
Date: 1996/12/09
Date: 1996-12-09T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrn5amp14.ii8.harry@matilda.alt.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: rmartin-0612961636360001@pool11-026.wwa.com
On Fri, 06 Dec 1996 16:36:36 -0600, Robert C. Martin <rmartin@oma.com> wrote:
>In article <slrn5afin1.49v.harry@matilda.alt.net.au>, harry@alt.net.au wrote:
>
>> Despite being a 'self centered hacker' (I like that title :-)) I
>> actually agree with you Elliot. You should at least sketch your
>> architecture out after your analysis is complete, (where analysis ==
>> primary use cases), and design to it.
>
>Actually, I prefer to do much more than just "sketch it out", the architecture
>should be very well defined, and very detailed. However, I also prefer to
>begin producing the architecture well before all the analysis is complete.
>And I prefer producing code that is conformant to the architecture - and the
>analysis - long before the architecture is complete.
>
>In other words, I like to do them all concurrently.
>
>This doesn't mean that I *ever* code something that is not designed.
>It also doesn't mean that I design something that has not been analyzed.
>It's just that I don't wait for *all* the analysis to be completed before
>I begin on designing the architecture. And I don't wait for the complete
>architecture before I begin on the code.
Sure, but I tend to do a overall sketch to give me a big picture before
diving in to the detail at any point. I find this helps to size the
problem up.
One force at this point in a project lifecycle is the need to estimate
effort. I usually use a preliminary analysis as a significant input to
the estimation process, but you can rarely afford to do very detailed
architectural work up front (prior to contract signing).
As a result I find you begin the 'natural' process with at least a
preliminary analysis. From that I tend to sketch architecture, then pick
the hardest/highest risk and begin the iterative process of detailed
analysis, architecture, design and implementation.
The initial sketch helps to give some overall uniformity to the
architecture without being a straitjacket to the process.
H
-
Harry Protoolis alt.computer pty ltd
harry@alt.net.au software development consultants
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1996-12-06 0:00 What is wrong with OO ? Ell
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Harry Protoolis
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-09 0:00 ` Harry Protoolis [this message]
1996-12-12 0:00 ` Frederick Sickert
1996-12-06 0:00 ` H Brett Bolen
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Prashant Gupta
1996-12-14 0:00 ` Chris
1996-12-06 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
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1997-02-11 0:00 Ell
1997-02-11 0:00 ` Matt McClellan
1997-02-11 0:00 ` John Brady
1997-02-12 0:00 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-02-12 0:00 ` Russ McClelland
1997-02-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-12 0:00 ` David B. Shapcott [C]
1997-02-12 0:00 ` Ketil Z Malde
1997-02-12 0:00 ` Kevin J. Hopps
[not found] ` <33049C7C.41C6@wi.leidenuniv.nl>
1997-02-17 0:00 ` Kevin J. Hopps
1997-02-17 0:00 ` phil
1997-02-18 0:00 ` Simon Willcocks
1997-02-12 0:00 ` Hamilton, Robert Bryan
1997-02-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-13 0:00 ` Hamilton, Robert Bryan
1997-02-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-13 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-18 0:00 Ell
1997-01-15 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-01-14 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
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1997-01-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-06 0:00 John Walker
1997-01-03 0:00 Ell
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1997-01-03 0:00 ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-06 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-06 0:00 ` Steven Perryman
1997-01-08 0:00 ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-01 0:00 Ell
1997-01-01 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-02 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-03 0:00 ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-03 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1997-01-03 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-04 0:00 ` Valerie Torres
1997-01-06 0:00 ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-09 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-09 0:00 ` Simon Willcocks
1997-01-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-01-09 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-09 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-01-10 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Joe Buck
1997-01-11 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-12 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-01-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15 0:00 ` Laurent Gasser
1997-01-15 0:00 ` Jonas Nygren
1997-01-17 0:00 ` Tom Bushell
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1997-01-17 0:00 ` Michael Malak
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1997-01-11 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-12 0:00 ` Thierry Goubier
1997-01-14 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-14 0:00 ` Vos nom et pr�nom
1997-01-16 0:00 ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-17 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Michael Malak
1997-01-10 0:00 ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-12 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
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1997-01-30 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
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1997-01-23 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
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1997-01-25 0:00 ` Damon Feldman
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1997-01-28 0:00 ` Paul Keister
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1997-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
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1997-01-14 0:00 ` Vos nom et pr�nom
1997-01-16 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
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1997-01-16 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-16 0:00 ` Risto Lankinen
1997-01-18 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
[not found] ` <01bc0269$3fd55b20$ca61e426@DCorbit.solutionsiq.com>
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