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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Exclusive file access
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:33:42 +0200
Date: 2015-09-01T09:33:42+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5v6340pc6qm.1gwlbx5lbzyyh$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ms2o9k$7i3$1@loke.gir.dk

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:34:12 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:

> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
> news:mvil865iebyb$.1of2shk5faacq$.dlg@40tude.net...
> ...
>>> As long as you don't use Wide_String—if you do use that, things get 
>>> rather messy.
>>
>> Both are messy. Character and Ada.Text_IO was designed prior to Unicode.
>> Later amendments were futile attempts to repair what needed no repair.
> 
> I would have said: "Later amendments were futile attempts to repair what 
> needed replacement." since we have no choice but to support modern character 
> sets in Ada. But the way to do that isn't by abandoning strong typing 
> (Ada.Strings.UTF_Encoding) or by duplicating everything many times 
> (Wide_Wide_String, which naturally leads to Wide_Wide_Text_IO which leads to 
> Wide_Wide_Open which leads to Wide_Wide_Madness).

Agreed

> Since a sensible solution can't be done compatibility, we needed to start 
> over -- but that's never had appropriate traction.

And good so, because without reworking the type system no reasonable
solution is impossible.

Either:

a. Encoding must be an interface, a view, of the string type decoupled from
its internal representation.

b. If the representation is the encoding, then the interface of an array of
characters must still be available.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-01  7:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-27 13:52 Exclusive file access ahlan
2015-08-27 14:27 ` gautier_niouzes
2015-08-31 23:20   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-09-01 16:23     ` Pascal Obry
2015-09-01 20:48       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-08-27 14:42 ` Björn Lundin
2015-08-27 14:48 ` G.B.
2015-08-27 15:08   ` Björn Lundin
2015-08-27 18:38     ` tmoran
2015-08-27 23:16     ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-08-27 23:29       ` Pascal Obry
2015-08-28  7:25         ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-08-27 15:15   ` ahlan
2015-08-27 18:29     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-28  5:41 ` ahlan
2015-08-28  7:10   ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-08-28 17:40 ` ahlan
2015-08-28 19:49   ` Anh Vo
2015-08-28 21:06     ` Simon Wright
2015-08-28 21:38       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-29  7:05   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-08-29  8:31     ` Pascal Obry
2015-08-29 12:02       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-08-30 11:35         ` Florian Weimer
2015-08-30 12:44           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-08-30 19:37             ` Florian Weimer
2015-08-31  7:22               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-08-31 21:12                 ` Florian Weimer
2015-09-01  7:26                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-09-07 18:27                     ` Florian Weimer
2015-09-07 19:06                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-09-11 16:54                         ` Florian Weimer
2015-08-31 23:34             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-09-01  7:33               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2015-08-29 16:07     ` gautier_niouzes
2015-08-29 17:12       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-09-01 12:37 ` brbarkstrom
2015-09-01 14:05 ` ahlan
2015-09-01 15:13   ` Simon Wright
2015-09-01 20:36     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-09-01 15:17   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-09-01 20:37     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-09-01 16:05   ` G.B.
2015-09-01 20:02   ` brbarkstrom
2015-09-01 21:17     ` Simon Wright
2015-09-05 15:52       ` Björn Lundin
2015-09-01 20:31   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-09-01 15:31 ` ahlan
2015-09-05 15:56   ` Björn Lundin
2015-09-06 17:38     ` brbarkstrom
2015-09-06 19:52       ` Björn Lundin
2015-09-07 15:18         ` brbarkstrom
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