From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10261c,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10261c,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 10c950,90121986704b5776 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c950,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "Dennis Weldy" Subject: Re: Your english sucks, mine is better. Date: 1997/11/25 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 292698328 References: <65ab3u$v07$1@news.nyu.edu> <65bo2c$d9l$1@news.nyu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Organization: Intergraph Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso,comp.lang.pascal.misc Date: 1997-11-25T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: billg@jk.pst.com wrote in message ... >In article <65bo2c$d9l$1@news.nyu.edu>, kenner@lab.ultra.nyu.edu says... >> In article billg@jk.pst.com writes: >> >Well then you don't fall into the category of capitalist either because >> >being dishonest and unethical is at the core of capitalistic "success". >> >But then you were referring to _other_ people weren't you. Your >> >marketing people (and managers) will inherently be dishonest and >> >unethical by definition of the way things really work. >> >> I would not hire marketting people or manager who were dishonest >> either. I don't challenge your claim that some companies do, but I >> would not. I find your attitude that it's not possible to do business >> without being dishonest and unethical very disturbing. I've certainly never >> been involved in such companies and never will knowingly be. >> >I've never worked for a company that was otherwise! It's just human >nature I guess. Someone in the fold will always be playing politics >trying to get the better of someone. No matter how slight the instance, >it is ALWAYS there somewhere (the repository for the ill behaviour seems >to be middle management who may indeed be chartered with the task of >oppressing of personnel). Usually where there is conflict, there is >reason for it. Companies go to great lengths to look like they on the >right side even if they are not. I'm not just referring to interactions >with customers, as it is more predominant in the company's dealings with >its employees that put them in the realm of the dishonest and unethical. > >As for sales people: that false bonding they do to get business is >dishonest at best. It's plastic people interacting and that leads to >major conflicts in society as a whole. The way to prevent the large >social problems from happening is to prevent the small ones from >occuring. Unfortunately, the "problem" is actually a vehicle and an >asset to many. So we can blame racial difficulties, drugs, teen pregnacy and all that on salesfolks? :-) Hmm..I'll bet even Saddam Hussein was a salesman at some point.....:-) > >billg