From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,e94a7e4f6f888766 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "Vladimir Olensky" Subject: Re: Self-referential types Date: 1999/10/18 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 537403247 References: <7ttb4a$8mq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3802f2db_2@news1.prserv.net> <3803B5E3.F96A6DD4@mitre.org> <3803c8bc_2@news1.prserv.net> <7uds5f$ljp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Date: 1999-10-18T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Robert Dewar wrote in message <7uds5f$ljp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article , > "Vladimir Olensky" wrote: > >> I think this is extremely bad. By such a lot of valuable >> information just lost. >> Only participants have it. > >There is the amazing facility known as a library (I guess the >online crowd have forgotten about these amazing institutions :-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I do not think so. This is more general issue. Availability of printed information in a library depends on where this library is located (country, location etc.). I am sure that the library of NY university and many other universities in some countries have a lot of the printed materials. A lot of libraries in many countries do not have many of the published materials. It is just imposible to have all in an average labrary. This is also a matter of $$$. This vary from country to country and in some of them in order to get some material you should order that material and wait several weeks or monthes. After that one gets it for limited period of time. In some countries one should be either student or proffesor to get access to the university labraries. Just weight all the efforts for getting needed information and it will be clear why now Internet plays such great role in education (obtaining needed information). If the materil is available online one can save a lot of time and efforts. There are some other issues here that also has significant impact on that. In many cases online internet access is the only alternative. One can (almost) instantly obtains what is needed. Internet now has great positive impact on the progress and will have much more in the future. >> I think that in case of Ada all proceedings and materials >> should be >> freely available online and for download. >> I think that this is one of the ways to promote Ada. >> If this work need sponsors I hope that Ada Resource >> Association could be such and moreover it could even sponsor >> the work to make >> most valuable Ada books available online (including setting up >agreements >> with publishers and authors). > >Ahem .. this is not just a matter of "work .. [to] .. setting >up agreements", there is $$$ involved. Why would a publisher >publish a book, if anyone can download it free? Well there are >legitimate answers to this and a few publishers have been >convinced to publish electronic books, or allow their hard >copy books to be available on line, but this is an exception. When I said to "sponsor" I hoped that this would mean to spend some $$$. I had the understanding that this is one of the goals of the Ada Resource Association to promote Ada. To promote something one need to spend some money for that in a right way. (Java promotion is a good example of that). I just wonder if Ada Resource Association has some $$$ to sponsor and promote Ada in a way described above ? Regards, Vladimir Olensky