From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: rmartin@oma.com (Robert C. Martin) Subject: Re: OO, C++, and more and more useless arguments! Date: 1997/01/28 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 212828385 references: <5bphq4$5js@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <32E05FAF.47BA@concentric.net> <5buodl$bci@boursy.news.erols.com> <32E2FEC7.2F7B@concentric.net> <6PE5zLpF3RB@herold.franken.de> <32E8DC1C.4871@rase.com> <32ED07B7.7E77@netright.com> organization: Object Mentor Inc. newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.object Date: 1997-01-28T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <32ED07B7.7E77@netright.com>, david_nospam@netright.com wrote: > Tansel Ersavas wrote: > > > > > > I used Pascal, C and C++ for more than 10 years, and developed and led > > development of >500000 loc projects, and I am sorry to say that I still > > think they suck. I now use Smalltalk and Self and sometimes Java if I > > have to, and couldn't be happier. > > I agree that the three previously mentioned languages suck, but I do > not agree that they equal static typing. I would say that of all the > languages you mention in the obove paragraph, Java is the best one, and > I would consider it statically typed. Neither of the three languages "suck". Nor do ST, Self or Java. They are just *languages*; each useful and each with its own set of problems. Java is a nice language; but its not perfect. There are things about Java that I don't happen to like. (e.g. the lack of MI, manually called destructors, lack of manual memory management; to name a few). C++ is a nice language too, but there are some things about it that I don't like. (e.g. using destructors to clean up after exceptions, virtual inheritance, Array/Pointer confusion, etc). Smalltalk is a nice language too, but there are some things about it that I don't like (dynamic typing, lack of declarable interfaces (same thing), lack of module system, difficulty in creation of shared libraries or distributable programs, etc.) There is no perfect language. And *no* language is going to solve all your software problems, or multiply your productivity by a factor of 10, or help you to write bug free code. Good engineering skills are not intrinsic to languages. Rather they are within the engineers who weild those languages. -- Robert C. Martin | Design Consulting | Training courses offered: Object Mentor | rmartin@oma.com | Object Oriented Design 14619 N Somerset Cr | Tel: (847) 918-1004 | C++ Green Oaks IL 60048 | Fax: (847) 918-1023 | http://www.oma.com "One of the great commandments of science is: 'Mistrust arguments from authority.'" -- Carl Sagan