From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED.fn3LatRFkm9/xzEj7F2/NQ.user.gioia.aioe.org!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: linux desktop in trouble Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 09:46:46 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <7dfe88e3-d509-49d1-998c-ce494133890c@googlegroups.com> <9d213970-a6da-e0af-7e61-99dd2c772080@planet.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: fn3LatRFkm9/xzEj7F2/NQ.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:58218 Date: 2020-03-19T09:46:46+01:00 List-Id: On 2020-03-19 07:07, ldries46 wrote: > As a newcomer in the Linux world I can feel what he means. But I just > think that it is not so much the problem of the desktops themselve but > of the lack of standardized installation procedures. There should be > some installation programs as there are in windows, these programs > should be independent of the type of desktop you are using. And of > course they should be complete. Well, it is rather exactly the opposite. Windows has no standardized installation procedure and rules, at all. There exist msi files, very few use them and it does not make much difference. Otherwise, it is just an executable that does any wild thing it pleases after you allow it to elevate itself to the administrative rights. > Take for instance GNAT GPS and GtkAda. It is especially so with GTK. Basically any Windows program that uses GTK hoards its own copy of. It is a total mess under Windows. > GNAT GPS before running the installation you must make the package > executable, it should be delivered execuable as under Windows. No. It simply should be better maintained as a deb-package, if we are talking about Ubuntu. Situation under Linux is far from perfect but is way better than under Windows. > This is not a problem of the desktop itself but of the producers of > software. True. It would be nice if AdaCore packaged its community GNAT for major Linux platforms: Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS. The problem is the resources. It is a lot of work, which, I assume, they prefer to apply on other places. FSF packages are simply undermaintained. The compiler itself works out of the box. But GtkAda, GPS (and frequently gprbuild) always had problems. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de