From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,23c0de5a42cf667e X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!news.astraweb.com!border1.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!newsfeed-hp3.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!ramfeed1.netcologne.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool3.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: GNAT packages in Linux distributions Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <87mxw9x7no.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <16bz9kvbqa8y9$.155ntpwpwl29d.dlg@40tude.net> <4be97bea$0$2966$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:45:14 +0200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2010 18:45:12 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: f8a27047.newsspool2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=ScX8ZgUo>A0RLigj];iP=8A9EHlD;3Yc24Fo<]lROoR18kFCOgUkn_?_Y?ek]<0mGF5o3jfIj[YmH7C9 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:11506 Date: 2010-05-11T18:45:12+02:00 List-Id: On Tue, 11 May 2010 18:05:42 +0200, Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57) wrote: > Le Tue, 11 May 2010 17:46:58 +0200, Pascal Obry a �crit: > >> Le 11/05/2010 09:39, Dmitry A. Kazakov a �crit : >>> I am not. Eiffel does it wrong. SPARK does it right. >> >> Eiffel and SPARK are completely different beasts, I do not see how you >> can compare them. >> > Can be compared in their attempt to make proofs or to draw a path to it. > But Eiffel's concepts are mostly a kind of debugging or runtime exception > oriented, and you are right if you were to point that Eiffel is not to do > static inference. Because it does not include exceptions in the contract, which is obviously wrong. > While they can be compared in some way, there is indeed a big difference : > Eiffel is runtime oriented, SPARK is static analysis oriented. A proof of correctness cannot be run-time. Incorrectness need no proof. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de